Why are current Alliance Raids not available for Minimum Item Level runs?

[shadowofchao725]

I know it's a very niche feature and doesn't get much use by many people.

But I wanted a nicer "more accurate" experience when it came to the content. By the second day on my first run, we have higher item level DPS making us skip some mechanics already.

If someone is able to amass 23 other people via Party Finder, shouldn't they be able to use this feature?



This was also an issue back in Shadowbringers right before Endwalker released when I organized a whole minimum item level tour of all the previous raids from ARR, Heavensward, and Stormblood.

But when we tried to gather for a Copied Factory run, that option wasn't available at all.



I don't know, can you guys find any intended design with this?

Even the Unreal Trials and current Savage Raids have this option available.

[LittleImp]

It's a shame, my FC put a run together of the current 24 man intending to do it on minimum, only to find out it wasn't possible. I'd love to see the feature made available.

As much as I adore the new 24 Man, it's become pretty clear to me in subsequent runs that it's undertuned from a DPS standpoint. By the end of the expansion, it's definitely going to end up like Void Ark or Crystal Tower.

[Jandor]

It's a shame, my FC put a run together of the current 24 man intending to do it on minimum, only to find out it wasn't possible. I'd love to see the feature made available.

As much as I adore the new 24 Man, it's become pretty clear to me in subsequent runs that it's undertuned from a DPS standpoint. By the end of the expansion, it's definitely going to end up like Void Ark or Crystal Tower.

I wonder if that's the plan, maybe trying to future proof it a little so it doesn't end up with a bunch of people dropping out whenever it appears in Alliance roulette when we're over in 7.0.

[CaedemSanguis]

whats the point with min ilvl alliance raid ?

within or without, its a casual content where its impossible to wipe

[LittleImp]

whats the point with min ilvl alliance raid ?

within or without, its a casual content where its impossible to wipe

It's mostly for people doing it for the first time.

Regardless of how skilled you are in this game, running a 24 man for the first time tends to be a lot of fun, and that fun is diminished significantly when the bosses die before doing half of their mechanics. It helps to mitigate against the famous issues that many of the end-expansion trials like Thordan have, in which they die so fast that the climactic feeling is totally diminished for a newer player.

[CerusSerenade]

whats the point with min ilvl alliance raid ?

within or without, its a casual content where its impossible to wipe

You clearly didn't play on patch day. PLENTY of wipes occurred, a lot of it on video.

[NanaWiloh]

Min ilvl will change nothing about crystal tower. Its missing mechanics are disable, so lowering dps does nothing.

[shadowofchao725]

whats the point with min ilvl alliance raid ?

within or without, its a casual content where its impossible to wipe

I'm not sure if you're aware but there *IS* a section of this community that is dedicated to minimum item level things to enjoy the content for what it is. Regardless of the amount of skill involved.
We even had a few triple legends show up simply because they loved doing content and it had nothing to do with player skill.

We had wipes as well because those said triple legends didn't know anything about how the mechanics were supposed to work.

It's doing the content at the difficulty it was designed for. Even if the game expansion balance changes make it so you can never get the Day 1 experience ever again.
There are at least a good chunk of people that have joined since then that want as close to that experience as possible.

Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull off getting a group for these things if it's as pointless as you say.

Min ilvl will change nothing about crystal tower. Its missing mechanics are disable, so lowering dps does nothing.

I don't know about you but a lot of people had a lot of fun in my Shadowbringers runs of the old raids.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...b1WcWKPl3ZyWse

Labyrinth with the Behemoth was harder because we had 3 less tanks to take towers.
Not to mention we actually saw the petrification mechanic in Syrcus Tower.

[Jeeqbit]

I've seen an alliance put together for this only to discover it wasn't possible in Shadowbringers.

Min ilvl will change nothing about crystal tower. Its missing mechanics are disable, so lowering dps does nothing.

That's not true at all. I was in a server that did them minimum item level and we were in discord. We wiped multiple times and had to learn the mechanics, discuss strategies and do callouts whereas you don't need to know them at all normally. In fights we didn't wipe on, we almost did with healers down. That was before the stat squish but I don't think it affected ARR that much.

whats the point with min ilvl alliance raid ?

within or without, its a casual content where its impossible to wipe

Wipes used to happen all of the time in Weeping City and we definitely wiped in the new one when I did it on patch day.

[NanaWiloh]

I'm not sure if you're aware but there *IS* a section of this community that is dedicated to minimum item level things to enjoy the content for what it is. Regardless of the amount of skill involved.
We even had a few triple legends show up simply because they loved doing content and it had nothing to do with player skill.

We had wipes as well because those said triple legends didn't know anything about how the mechanics were supposed to work.

It's doing the content at the difficulty it was designed for. Even if the game expansion balance changes make it so you can never get the Day 1 experience ever again.
There are at least a good chunk of people that have joined since then that want as close to that experience as possible.

Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull off getting a group for these things if it's as pointless as you say.



I don't know about you but a lot of people had a lot of fun in my Shadowbringers runs of the old raids.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...b1WcWKPl3ZyWse

Labyrinth with the Behemoth was harder because we had 3 less tanks to take towers.
Not to mention we actually saw the petrification mechanic in Syrcus Tower.

Very strange I read and heard that certian mechanics had been disabled. But your video shows them all present raises the question did they really nerf it. I did the fights in arr post nerf varuois mechanics like the petrification were not present.