The Devs aren't your personal friends and valid criticism isn't "harrassment"

[CrownySuccubus]

I think it is fairly obvious what a death threat is, the fact that you had to make this post is pretty sad.. Wishing ill will one some one is not a death threat, a death threat would be to threaten someones life in some capacity. It is so hard to take this sort of talk seriously today because it is so commonly used in social media for views today. That being said, people completely over reacted about the housing issue, and were completely immature for doing so. If you complain that you have waited x years for a in game house... what is a couple more days.

To be honest, I'm not a fan of this thread's game of "Narrow the technical definition of what's bad as much as possible".

Death threats are not the only type of unacceptable behavior. Just because something is "technically not a death threat" doesn't mean we shouldn't condemn it almost as -- or even just as strongly. Whether it's wishing ill on someone, saying they should be fired over a mistake (especially if it wasn't even their call to put it in the game), or many other types of behavior, it is nonetheless completely ridiculous and inhumane behavior.

[IdowhatIwant]

To be honest, I'm not a fan of this thread's game of "Narrow the technical definition of what's bad as much as possible".

Death threats are not the only type of unacceptable behavior. Just because something is "technically not a death threat" doesn't mean we shouldn't condemn it almost as -- or even just as strongly. Whether it's wishing ill on someone, saying they should be fired over a mistake (especially if it wasn't even their call to put it in the game), or many other types of behavior, it is nonetheless completely ridiculous and inhumane behavior.

No but calling something that isn't a death threat, a death threat is making the community out to sound way worse than it really is. I don't condone wishing ill will on other people, how ever call it what it is.

[kpxmanifesto]

As far as tone goes, people can use what ever tone they want honestly, it's not up to other players to determine what kind of tone people can or can't use. It's really up to who is going to actually read it and take it into consideration to determine of the tone is something they wish to continue taking seriously or not.

I personally let the forum mods decide whether criticism is offensive or not. If the mods let the comment stand, then it's acceptable. If it gets deleted, then it obviously wasn't.

[Arkanis_Linvail]

"Im getting death threats" is often something used by people on social media as a way of getting people to stop attacking them. We've all seen it where someone says or does something stupid, is criticised for it and then claims to be recieving death threats so now they're the real victim who we should all feel sorry for.

As is always the case you should ask to see the reciepts. If someone is is being attacked and getting threats of violence then it should be easy to prove. I think we can all say we condemn threats of violence over something so silly as a game. To be honest I've seen more of a fanboy cult who so passionately defend the devs despite any issues in the game and denounce anyone who dares criticise it as "hate". We dont hate the game, we're paying for and paying the bloody thing aren't we? That plus theres a definite atmosphere of "I'm alright Jack" on here at times. Look I get it, bugs X, Y and Z didnt affect you and I'm happy for you truly I am but it doesnt mean those who are affected should just be shooed off and their criticisms labelled as invalid. Just because something isnt an issue for you doesnt mean its not an issue for other people and saying its an issue for them doesnt make them the villians for daring to speak ill of the game.

It has been said this game has a good community. Is that true or is it only because those who experiences the games problems (no, the game is not perfect) are just drowned out by the rampant fanboyism of those who think the sun sets when the devs sit down?

Death threat - I hate John Smith and I'm going to run him over with my car.
Being a jerk - I hate John Smith and would laugh my ass off if he got ran over by a car.
Call to action - I hate John Smith and will pay good money to whoever runs him over with their car.

[Kohl]

"Im getting death threats" is often something used by people on social media as a way of getting people to stop attacking them....

It's also used in social media (and beyond) when people are getting death threats.

[Raoabolic]

It's also used in social media (and beyond) when people are getting death threats.

It's also used in social media (and beyond) to manipulate people to your side.

At this point who cares if someone is mean to you on the internet? If they go beyond that then that's stalking which is illegal and, more than likely, the authorities can help you with. Any social website worth it's salt has a block button and at the very least just ignore the jerk and keep scrolling, lol.

[Kohl]

It's also used in social media (and beyond) to manipulate people to your side.

At this point who cares if someone is mean to you on the internet? If they go beyond that then that's stalking which is illegal and, more than likely, the authorities can help you with. Any social website worth it's salt has a block button and at the very least just ignore the jerk and keep scrolling, lol.

I care. It's a concern. The more it is ignored the more it happens. Sure, there could be a percentage of people being manipulative, so what. I'd rather find out if someone needs help or not than ignore the person in need.

[CrownySuccubus]

Asking to "see the receipts" when someone calls for a stop to death threats isn't reasonable. It really does nothing to address the issue.

The fact remains that if you see someone giving death threats (or "being a jerk" or "making a call to action" or whatever else we want to call it), then call that person out, report that person and get them out of the community as fast as possible. The amount of death threats the person got before that doesn't matter.

[Raim]

Asking to "see the receipts" when someone calls for a stop to death threats isn't reasonable. It really does nothing to address the issue.

The fact remains that if you see someone giving death threats (or "being a jerk" or "making a call to action" or whatever else we want to call it), then call that person out, report that person and get them out of the community as fast as possible. The amount of death threats the person got before that doesn't matter.

No because people keep using this as a scapegoat to avert legitimate criticism. Nobody has seen any of what is claimed, but yet its being used to set the tone for the discussion going forward. Its trying to make the people complaining look bad.

[Arkanis_Linvail]

Asking to "see the receipts" when someone calls for a stop to death threats isn't reasonable. It really does nothing to address the issue.

The fact remains that if you see someone giving death threats (or "being a jerk" or "making a call to action" or whatever else we want to call it), then call that person out, report that person and get them out of the community as fast as possible. The amount of death threats the person got before that doesn't matter.

Yes it is: it proves those death threats are actually happening and aren't just being used as an excuse to cast those who criticise the mistakes in this game as being worse than they actually are. If you want to call someone out for death threats (note that death threats, calls to action and just being a jerk arent the same thing) then first it has to be proven they're actually sending death threats. If you want someone banned then you have to prove they've done something worthy of that ban. You cant just say "Someone criticised a bug in the game? Yeah well ban them because death threats!"

"Death threats are happening, asking for evidence of that does nothing to stop it" isnt particularly strong logic. Look, I know if you search hard enough you'll find at least 1 unhinged lunatic but to act like its more common than not and used to shut down people who are criticising the games problems is completely the wrong way to go about it as well.