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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    healers are fun in PVP. We now have actual variety between the healers, so you can try out which ever one suits you better, Personally I find that while WHM can be very powerful, so can AST. It shouldn't be underestimated with its ability to throw out good DPS, buffs, debuffs and heals. The LB is excellent, and the card buffs include the regen on everyone LB and their MP- so that helps if their are spamming their personal heal (which they should be doing).
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Unlimited healer heals were one of the biggest reasons the old PVP was an awkward footnote in the list of FF14 features. The basic role balance is spot on now, and the issues are more with certain jobs being undertuned. The mode had a complete rework and has been out for a week, so that's not a disaster, and the fact PVP is finally popular regardless is a testament to how successful the basic concept is.
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    Cam Ember
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I'm having a blast in pvp, including but not exclusively with healers. They're all really powerful in very different ways. It's honestly better class design than the pve versions.

    WHM is mostly passive and defensive but that polymorph and incredibly quick LB charge means they can regularly make huge game-changing plays. Fun, straightforward, powerful.

    SCH is an incremental attritional caster, relatively hard to play and requires the game to not be decided by egregious mistakes. Easily the rarest healer; I've only seen one really good SCH, but they were an absolute monster.

    SGE is a burst assassin with a side of shielding. It's not uncommon to see a sage as top damage at the end of a match.

    AST is the only one I haven't played personally, but it's got enormous utility in every dimension. Scuttlebutt suggests it's probably even more powerful than WHM as the average level of play rises.
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    Last edited by Corbeau; 04-18-2022 at 06:52 AM.

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    Xynnel Valeroyant
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    Healing in pvp is not fun.

    Supporting my team and being a nuisance in pvp (throwing out cards/CC) is fun.

    I do wish our heals as limited as they are were more effective and I do wish I had more tools (heals or damage or CC) than just 1 hotbar but for the most part I'm satisfied with how healers are in pvp.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Tobias Azuryon
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    I main SGE and while topping the damage is nice it's a little odd to untrain myself from rushing in to phlegma or not being able to reliably shield anything or doe any kind of aoe sustain. Usually I poke and toxicon and then zoom in when there's an opportunity so SGE is like the healer NIN in that regard.

    WHM is busted imo. It has too much in its kit and is the reason a lot of people burst healers. It can just do so much so quickly that if they're even half awake they can turn a lot around. Instantaneous stun nuke that gives them temperance, dps buff, and regen is just...crazy compared to the others and that's not even thinking about the extra purify they get that gives them a huge shield.

    SCH is really good at sustain damage but I don't know if it's worth the lack of CC. Mummification seems cool on paper until you realize why reduce when you can stop with CC/stun/silence. They're good but more niche.

    AST has crazy skill ceiling imo and has some really cool interplay but I'm unsure since I haven't played it as much. Seems like it could be more powerful than WHM in terms of raw damage/utility if played right, but WHM just has so many griefing skills that are so easily utilized it's hard to determine while the current meta is "Get stun locked forever"
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    Last edited by Tobias_Azuryon; 04-19-2022 at 01:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias_Azuryon View Post
    SCH is really good at sustain damage but I don't know if it's worth the lack of CC. Mummification seems cool on paper until you realize why reduce when you can stop with CC/stun/silence. They're good but more niche.
    I understand why, but I absolutely loathe having to be in melee range as a caster / ranged job.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Yu Zeneolsia
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    Only downside of playing a healer class in PvP, is how everyone comes after me.
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    Alpha Lupi
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    I just wished pve healing was as fun as pvp healing.
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