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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    They do get death threats, it's just not very common. The problem is any and all criticism then gets thrown out the window, because of these threats by a few people.
    It's the easiest way to diminish and brush aside criticism.

    "We got this one random death threat" from a clearly unhinged person who has zero way to actually carry it out. But because of that, all the criticism of the last month won't be looked it.

    Happens all the time, it's a typical PR move.

    Find the one worst thing you can find to put the focus on that and ignore every other valid criticism.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It's the easiest way to diminish and brush aside criticism.

    "We got this one random death threat" from a clearly unhinged person who has zero way to actually carry it out. But because of that, all the criticism of the last month won't be looked it.

    Happens all the time, it's a typical PR move.

    Find the one worst thing you can find to put the focus on that and ignore every other valid criticism.
    Very true. Also at risk of sounding a little callous, I don't think some random naming their listing on PF "death to the devs that have ruined this game" or something really counts as a "death threat". Maybe that's just me but I only really consider things death threats if like... the names of family members or addresses of the people you're threatening are involved or something. It's still gross to do, of course, but calling things like that "death threats" is a bit of a stretch, and you probably shouldn't invoke the extreme negative connotations of those words to try and make things that aren't super serious seem like bigger deals than they are, then the words just lose all meaning.
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    They do deserve criticism for many of the decisions made recently. But that's where it should stay. Criticisms of decisions. Not calling their intelligence, professionalism, or ability into question. It's their job to make the game, but it's not your job to play it.
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    Just do it like him, no developer harassment needed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjvrcGOUPjw
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    Well maybe the devs should focus more on things that actually make sense then stupid fashion accessories. I don't care about umbrellas or glasses. It took them this long to fix the Hrothgar and the hair which still is dismal and the Viera are still not fixed with hats. No here is a stupid umbrella that most people even forget. Why not fix the issues that are really prevalent and give us more rewarding content. Why not spice up the annual events that have become lackluster with subpar rewards at the end. People need to stop white knighting Yoshida and the devs every time they make a blunder which in this case was a MAJOR blunder. Did they not do any sort of quality assurance before releasing this? Apparently not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    Did they not do any sort of quality assurance before releasing this? Apparently not
    Not just QA, but why did they not have people watch over as a new, major system takes place to make sure it works without a hitch? The fact that the servers weren't rolled back immediately when the system failed, and they only responded about the problem hours later after shit already hit the fan shows their absolute incompetence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    People need to stop white knighting Yoshida and the devs every time they make a blunder which in this case was a MAJOR blunder. Did they not do any sort of quality assurance before releasing this? Apparently not
    I agree. But there also isn't much reason to crucify them either. There have been blunders going back from EW release, to Raubahn EX, to AST coming in, to... well 1.0.

    They screwed up. Clearly not the first, nor will it be the last. I was unaware the FFXIV playerbase themselves are so infallible. If this is not true then give them a chance to fix it, or move on. Those are your choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I agree. But there also isn't much reason to crucify them either. There have been blunders going back from EW release, to Raubahn EX, to AST coming in, to... well 1.0.

    They screwed up. Clearly not the first, nor will it be the last. I was unaware the FFXIV playerbase themselves are so infallible. If this is not true then give them a chance to fix it, or move on. Those are your choices.
    It would be fine if it was a one or two occurrence. That is forgivable. It's been compounding over the years.

    Once is an random occurence.
    Twice is a coincidence
    Three times is a pattern developing that needs looked at.

    We're on instance 20 or so.

    It seems like almost every time they try to introduce a new "system" they screw it up relatively badly. Now is that on the developers or the QA/QC testers> Probably a mix of both. but ultimately it's on the developers themselves.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 04-18-2022 at 12:54 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It would be fine if it was a one or two occurrence. That is forgivable. It's been compounding over the years.

    Once is an random occurence.
    Twice is a coincidence
    Three times is a pattern developing that needs looked at.

    We're on instance 20 or so.

    It seems like almost every time they try to introduce a new "system" they screw it up relatively badly. Now is that on the developers or the QA/QC testers> Probably a mix of both. but ultimately it's on the developers themselves.
    When it comes to housing, what do you expect? It is an issue that has never been resolved due to not being able to accommodate player demand. It was not an issue when the amount of wards and plots exceeded the demand for them, and this will continue to be an issue until FFXIV's growth reaches its peak. In fact, the insatiable demand for housing is a testament to the game's popularity. When the time comes (and it will come) that plots are readily available again, we will know FFXIV's popularity is over the hill. Kinda scary to think about that, isn't it?

    Again, I will point out the insurmountable pressure this dev team is under, and how easily players fail to acknowledge that they alone are the ones responsible for said pressure. Before EW was even released during a LL Q&A, Yoshi was already asked about a residential district in Sharlyan. You think the person who submitted that question gave the livelihoods of the dev team even a single thought? Can you blame his face palm reaction to that? Want to guess why he face palmed so hard? It's because that question immediately turned into the next demand that falls right into his boss' ears, who will then apply that pressure to Yoshi and Co. Just like that.

    The availability of plots and wards is one thing, then trying to develop a system where everyone has a fair chance to own some land is a whole other animal. What's the answer? Do you have it? Should multiple players in an FC be allowed to register? Is it fair that they give up their chance to own a private estate by doing so if they don't have one? If a player already owns a private estate, should they be allowed to enter for their FC? What about showing the number of participants? How good of an idea is that? There are pros and cons to this too isn't there? What kind of shady pressure that players are uncomfortable with is happening within any given FC in order to obtain a house? Tell me my fellow compatriot, how would you implement this system in a way that is in recompense, fair for everyone, and without consequence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmagebro View Post
    Hello all!

    I am new to posting here and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this but I feel its necessary to be said regardless. I've seen quite a lot of heated discussions about the player housing situation and a few other past events where players have felt slighted or in some way inconvenienced and overwhelmingly people have been voicing their frustrations in a way that seems a tad overkill. Frustration is one thing but calling devs names or being hysterical about this or any situation does nothing but cause real people to be stressed out. I know we often laud the dev team and Yoshi-P especially but the opposite can be true too. Very bi-polar which is to be expected from such a large MMO audience.

    I hope people who read this can voice their frustrations more gently and constructively in the future. I'm sorry you were inconvenienced but this is a game that you enjoy and its a career that game devs slave at to make. the disparity between our commitments is immeasurable. They want to make the best game they can and believing otherwise is foolish. I don't mean this to be another "praise Yoshi-P!" post so please understand that I just think our collective voices when compounded have a very drastic effect on real people and we should act accordingly.

    TL;DR stop being mean pls
    Totally agreed with you OP. It's a bit embarrassing to be lumped in with this great community when they act like this. Fortunately this is just a vocal minority and the majority of us don't act this way. I just hope the devs don't see the personal attacks and take it to heart.

    Devs,

    Please resolve the situation and consider a more permanent solution to FFXIV housing, but I also know how stressful having something break in a game like this is, so take care of your mental health while you work through this and ignore the people that are just lobbing petty attacks.
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