Dev Harassment is concerning

[Atelier-Bagur]

No, people are just holding them accountable for the lack of QA and less content per patch while adding more and more to the mogshop. It's really a simple concept, lol.

True but still the lesser of two evils here.

[Theodric]

One recent example of less content is the decision to delay the release of the new beast tribe quests and custom delivery NPC. In the past, they were included with the initial load of new content when a patch first went live. Now they're being held back a month just to pad out the wait until 6.2 because there really isn't much else set to be added until 6.2 for the majority of players.

What's interesting is that both pieces of content are weekly tasks and as such would be beneficial being released sooner rather than later. Especially since they're meant to be catch up mechanisms for gaining experience.

More content along the lines of the new PvP mode that people can just jump into whenever they like would be wonderful. Especially if the development team can find ways to avoid it dying out after the initial rush.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It just seems folks forget the dev team is full of human beings that can and will make mistakes. Some are willing to work with them and empathize while others expect perfection and will rag if thats not met.
People siding with devs aren't whiteknights. People saying the devs are perfect are.
Or everyone cares to join the negative brigade and they shouldn't be labeled for that. Criticism is fine. Being an arse is not

The problem is it’s not just one or two mistakes. It’s MANY.
Between the horrible launch where people couldn’t even log on for the early release, and the devs still thinking it was fine to officially launch the game at that time when they had already seen in early release the servers were breaking….i mean that’s literally what early release is for, and instead they decided to be greedy.

Then we get to the healer problems, the gutting, the lack of engagement even after 6 years, then we get to the new hrothgar hairs that players have been waiting patiently for 3 years and theyre such a shit show even the devs were laughing about it on stream. Then to the just, overall treatment of both limited races and the lack of headgear etc,i mean viera can’t even wear the new pvp helmet. How are you gonna lock an entire set behind a pretty hefty grind, and then not make it fully accessible to an entire race. Then now we get to the housing problems. It’s starting to boil over, the game is making record profits, it set record player count, yet we’re seeing less and less quality as the expansion goes on, we’re seeing devs laughing at things that…it’s just plain disrespectful. It truly does seem like they don’t care at this point.

Please direct me to this less content per patch outside of losing a dungeon? Because we got a shit ton of stuff this patch from a decent sized MSQ patch, Adventure Plates, an overhauled PvP system, a new Alliance Raid, the Hatching Tide event, with more to come in 6.11 and 6.15. And there's plenty of in game items to earn compared to the mogstation stuff.

We literally didn’t get 89 dungeon gear this expansion, which has never happened any other expansion. We didn’t get our pvp set from wolf marks this expansion yet, we got the others in x.1.(the set in the new pvp rewards is the equivalent of a feast set afaik). We didn’t get a tataru glam in ShB and the one we got this expansion was a reused set. In SB samurai and rdm both got level 50/60/70 primal weapons. Dnc,Gnb,Sage,and Rpr still do not.The p4s raid does not have a change in boss theme for the second phase, its all the same song.

[xenahawk]

“We have to send death threats or they’ll become Wow ):”

This is ridiculous.

Yeah forums treat wow devs the same way. Unfortuately people feel more brazin and want to feel like tough guys because well less consequence for their actions.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The problem is it’s not just one or two mistakes. It’s MANY.
Between the horrible launch where people couldn’t even log on for the early release, and the devs still thinking it was fine to officially launch the game at that time when they had already seen in early release the servers were breaking….i mean that’s literally what early release is for, and instead they decided to be greedy.

Then we get to the healer problems, the gutting, the lack of engagement even after 6 years, then we get to the new hrothgar hairs that players have been waiting patiently for 3 years and theyre such a shit show even the devs were laughing about it on stream. Then to the just, overall treatment of both limited races and the lack of headgear etc,i mean viera can’t even wear the new pvp helmet. How are you gonna lock an entire set behind a pretty hefty grind, and then not make it fully accessible to an entire race. Then now we get to the housing problems. It’s starting to boil over, the game is making record profits, it set record player count, yet we’re seeing less and less quality as the expansion goes on, we’re seeing devs laughing at things that…it’s just plain disrespectful. It truly does seem like they don’t care at this point.

Yeah because I guess them saying they've had difficulty acquiring servers months prior isn't good enough. They had just pop them out of thin air because "rich corpo". Again that's not how that works and they've been VERY open about that fact yet you'd call them greedy.
Far as the new races go I've said it before that they need work. There's no refuting that. But it's literally a helmet. I'll take the loses (for now) and be glad at least most of the set can be worn. Idk what's going on behind the scenes that makes those races hard to work with so I'm not gonna hope on the hate train and judge.
SE handles the money, not Yoshi P. If xiv isn't getting the funding it needs it isn't his fault. And you speak of quality yet the story and content we've gotten has all been just that. Housing? That's a blip for sure, but again human error is a concept. The devs aren't machines. They're people who make mistakes. But again that's not good enough.
Classes being gutted. I'll admit I'm not a fan of this. But I also don't think its the end of the world like many others. It's very clear they want to lower the bar of entry with classes to appeal to the masses. I can't exactly fault them for that.

All in all you're taking this personally when you don't need to and painting the game in a far worse light than it really is in imo

[Manofpassion]

Yeah because I guess them saying they've had difficulty acquiring servers months prior isn't good enough. They had just pop them out of thin air because "rich corpo". Again that's not how that works and they've been VERY open about that fact yet you'd call them greedy.
Far as the new races go I've said it before that they need work. There's no refuting that. But it's literally a helmet. I'll take the loses (for now) and be glad at least most of the set can be worn. Idk what's going on behind the scenes that makes those races hard to work with so I'm not gonna hope on the hate train and judge.
SE handles the money, not Yoshi P. If xiv isn't getting the funding it needs it isn't his fault. And you speak of quality yet the story and content we've gotten has all been just that. Housing? That's a blip for sure, but again human error is a concept. The devs aren't machines. They're people who make mistakes. But again that's not good enough.
Classes being gutted. I'll admit I'm not a fan of this. But I also don't think its the end of the world like many others. It's very clear they want to lower the bar of entry with classes to appeal to the masses. I can't exactly fault them for that.

All in all you're taking this personally when you don't need to and painting the game in a far worse light than it really is in imo

Its not just one helmet though, is it. It is without a doubt the majority of helmets in the game. 2 years, and we can't even say the devs have made a significant amount of the helmets wearable of the new races. We can still only just say they made a small amount of them wearable. I know there was covid, but shadowbringers was released in 2019. Like, if 4 years to give races hats is too much of a problem for them, I don't really know what to say. I believe them when it says its hard, but Modders have literally done it. I'm aware there will be more burecracy in a corpo like square but 4 years? That's hard to defend.

I am not a hroth or Viera but being thankful that most of the set can be worn is an absurd notion to me. What, the viera, who just use a long midlander body, and the hroths, who just use a hunched roe body, and we should be glad the devs managed to grace us with wearable shoes and pants? I am not glad that they give the shb races wearable shoes and pants. I expect them to, along with helmets. Are they gonna make us wait another 4 years, or give us more jellybean hair. Probably both.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Its not just one helmet though, is it. It is without a doubt the majority of helmets in the game. 2 years, and we can't even say the devs have made a significant amount of the helmets wearable of the new races. We can still only just say they made a small amount of them wearable. I know there was covid, but shadowbringers was released in 2019. Like, if 4 years to give races hats is too much of a problem for them, I don't really know what to say. I believe them when it says its hard, but Modders have literally done it. I'm aware there will be more burecracy in a corpo like square but 4 years? That's hard to defend.

I am not a hroth or Viera but being thankful that most of the set can be worn is an absurd notion to me. What, the viera, who just use a long midlander body, and the hroths, who just use a hunched roe body, and we should be glad the devs managed to grace us with wearable shoes and pants? I am not glad that they give the shb races wearable shoes and pants. I expect them to, along with helmets. Are they gonna make us wait another 4 years, or give us more jellybean hair. Probably both.

Hey, you don't have to agree with me on that. I don't know why more can't be worn so I'll take what's given for now. Sure modders have done it and if folks want it that badly they can go to them for it for now. While it's unfortunate I'd rather the dev team focus on other issues

[Manofpassion]

Hey, you don't have to agree with me on that. I don't know why more can't be worn so I'll take what's given for now. Sure modders have done it and if folks want it that badly they can go to them for it for now. While it's unfortunate I'd rather the dev team focus on other issues

Its easy to say I rather the dev team focuses on other issues when it doesn't affect your race. I'm no hroth player, but it's clear to me someone why pays for the same sub as I do should not be given unfair restrictions just because of their in game race. They announced it was limited at first fine. But it seems like they are gonna be limited until the game dies in like 30 years now.

The devs made a big show about how beast tribes are gonna be renamed now to be more in accordance with the game's theme of equality and diversity in all races and all that jazz. I don't disagree with that. But it's time for the devs to actually show they believe in the theme of their own story and make hroths and vieras a second class race no longer. Name branding is easy and superfluous. Putting the races up to par with another requires actual work and means something. Put their money where their mouth is make those races equal.

Also, I don't think telling hroths and viera that if they want basic race features that they should break tos and install mods is a satisfying answer. When the only way to make your race not feel gimped is to risk being banned, thats pretty shitty. Not to mention those playing on console.

Also obligatory they're obviously not focusing on housing because it's shit, but that's a dead horse even I am a bit sick of beating. Housing devs still better pull their finger out though, it's been in there for a decade!

[KizuyaKatogami]

Hey, you don't have to agree with me on that. I don't know why more can't be worn so I'll take what's given for now. Sure modders have done it and if folks want it that badly they can go to them for it for now. While it's unfortunate I'd rather the dev team focus on other issues

Well maybe Yoshi P shouldn’t have begged for a beast race then, if he wasn’t going to take care of it, and wasn’t even going to play one. That’s what’s truly rich. He wanted a beast race for so long yet he still plays a female lala and a female au ra, no hrothgar in sight. Meanwhile he’s left the entire race out to rot. Also console players don’t have access to mods, so not everyone can just go to them. The devs have had 3-4 years to fix this and they haven’t. This helmet situation though screams of laziness. Why? Because they have specifically made it for other helmets in the game where the ears just clip through the helmet, so why is this one any different. Either don’t release a set of gear until it’s wearable by everyone, or at the very least don’t lock it behind a major grind.

This is what i mean about quality. We haven’t seen much of a major improvement at all in these new races and it’s been almost 4 years. You can mention the story but i don’t see that as quality, the fact they said they cut an entire expansion and then seeing what we got with this expansion and the dumbed down dungeons and the missing dungeon gear, yeah sorry no i don’t see that as an increase in quality, more like a downgrade.