Dev Harassment is concerning

[Kaurhz]

"I'm sick of all this developer harassment, but let me proceed with an apt demonstration of harassment on you, the community instead"

Neither of which is OK.

[PawPaw]

Do mods not exist on this forum? How are some of these posts from the OP still up?

[Stormpeaks]

Hello all!

I am new to posting here and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this but I feel its necessary to be said regardless. I've seen quite a lot of heated discussions about the player housing situation and a few other past events where players have felt slighted or in some way inconvenienced and overwhelmingly people have been voicing their frustrations in a way that seems a tad overkill. Frustration is one thing but calling devs names or being hysterical about this or any situation does nothing but cause real people to be stressed out. I know we often laud the dev team and Yoshi-P especially but the opposite can be true too. Very bi-polar which is to be expected from such a large MMO audience.

I hope people who read this can voice their frustrations more gently and constructively in the future. I'm sorry you were inconvenienced but this is a game that you enjoy and its a career that game devs slave at to make. the disparity between our commitments is immeasurable. They want to make the best game they can and believing otherwise is foolish. I don't mean this to be another "praise Yoshi-P!" post so please understand that I just think our collective voices when compounded have a very drastic effect on real people and we should act accordingly.

TL;DR stop being mean pls

"seriously guys just be nice to the devs, but let me be toxic to the entire community and disrespect them"

[Lily_Skye]

Hello all!

I am new to posting here and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this but I feel its necessary to be said regardless. I've seen quite a lot of heated discussions about the player housing situation and a few other past events where players have felt slighted or in some way inconvenienced and overwhelmingly people have been voicing their frustrations in a way that seems a tad overkill. Frustration is one thing but calling devs names or being hysterical about this or any situation does nothing but cause real people to be stressed out. I know we often laud the dev team and Yoshi-P especially but the opposite can be true too. Very bi-polar which is to be expected from such a large MMO audience.

I hope people who read this can voice their frustrations more gently and constructively in the future. I'm sorry you were inconvenienced but this is a game that you enjoy and its a career that game devs slave at to make. the disparity between our commitments is immeasurable. They want to make the best game they can and believing otherwise is foolish. I don't mean this to be another "praise Yoshi-P!" post so please understand that I just think our collective voices when compounded have a very drastic effect on real people and we should act accordingly.

TL;DR stop being mean pls

white knight

[Kaurhz]

white knight

Yes because expecting a modicum of respect and constructive thought/discussion is a difficult concept to grasp, thus we are all designated as white knights for not having a misaligned social compass.

[thereal_aliceanders]

Just curious is there actual proof of death threats? I'm not seeing them. All I'm seeing is some legit pissed off people, doing what they (including myself) do when SE makes an epic mistake, they call them out on the forums.

[IdowhatIwant]

Just curious is there actual proof of death threats? I'm not seeing them. All I'm seeing is some legit pissed off people, doing what they (including myself) do when SE makes an epic mistake, they call them out on the forums.

No, every time the devs screw up and people get angry now, some one makes a thread like this.

[Packetdancer]

Just curious is there actual proof of death threats? I'm not seeing them. All I'm seeing is some legit pissed off people, doing what they (including myself) do when SE makes an epic mistake, they call them out on the forums.

Wander onto Twitter or certain subreddits, and you won't have to look far to find one or two. At least, depending on what you define as "death threats". "I wish someone would set the developers on fire so I could stand there and watch them burn to death and not pour water on them" is not an actual threat, per se, but wishing death upon the devs -- even if obviously hyperbole -- still is unsettling and almost certainly doesn't make any dev team member who stumbles across it feel particularly good about community interaction.

Thankfully, the FFXIV community seems somewhat less prone to that extreme of reactions to things they're unhappy about -- and I've seen none of them on this particular forum! -- but "less wishes of death upon the developers than most games will get" doesn't mean "no such posts at all".

The same is true with folks saying that this was a scam and the developers should be thrown in jail for fraud; I don't think any of them are actually serious, but it still taints the discourse and is likely not going to make anyone on the dev team inclined to read a thread containing stuff like that, whether it's only angry hyperbole or not.

[Claviusnex]

Wander onto Twitter or certain subreddits, and you won't have to look far to find one or two. At least, depending on what you define as "death threats". "I wish someone would set the developers on fire so I could stand there and watch them burn to death and not pour water on them" is not an actual threat, per se, but wishing death upon the devs -- even if obviously hyperbole -- still is unsettling and almost certainly doesn't make any dev team member who stumbles across it feel particularly good about community interaction.

Thankfully, the FFXIV community seems somewhat less prone to that extreme of reactions to things they're unhappy about -- and I've seen none of them on this particular forum! -- but "less wishes of death upon the developers than most games will get" doesn't mean "no such posts at all".

The same is true with folks saying that this was a scam and the developers should be thrown in jail for fraud; I don't think any of them are actually serious, but it still taints the discourse and is likely not going to make anyone on the dev team inclined to read a thread containing stuff like that, whether it's only angry hyperbole or not.

Then it seems to me people like the OP should be bringing the subject up on the social media where the transgressions are occurring not here on the forums where I have yet to see the type of vitriol you get on the open web.

[Packetdancer]

Then it seems to me people like the OP should be bringing the subject up on the social media where the transgressions are occurring not here on the forums where I have yet to see the type of vitriol you get on the open web.

On that, I do agree.