[Feedback] Add Epic Easy Anti-Cheat to FFXIV before is too late

[Andeeria]

Tell me where Linux is listed in the system requirements, support documentation or marketing materials for this game? Square Enix have nothing to do with it. Gabe Newell talked about running Final Fantasy XIV on a Steam Deck much like some media outlets did but the game isn't marked as Steam Deck compatible on the Steam Store either. Official and proper Linux support has never existing for this game.

Well that's what i'm trying to pinpoint? Why Square does not want to officially suport Linux when it supports the core components of running the game in Linux (and those officially supported components, even if on macOS, will be their biggest hurdle in adding anti-cheat - possible solution would be just to have a true native mac client, but it's even less possible to do for them)

The vast majority of PC gamers I know have no problems with anti-cheat software at all. The only issues I've seen are people leaving applications like Cheat Engine open or leaving a memory debugger running as they use a single PC for programming and gaming

And this again - fact that is working for you and people you know, does not mean it's an ideal solution for everyone. Of course then it's support job to fix all the false flags, but nonetheless I'm skeptical seeing how other companies handle this kind of issues if they happen, and I don't wish anyone having to go through support back and forth just get your false ban cleared, not happened to me but I guess it can be really stressful experience especially if you sank hundreds of hours in the game.

[JanVanding]

Why do you keep being obtuse about this? I've played many games with EAC, and other anti-cheat solutions, on a PC and they use a negligible amount of system resources. If your PC is overheating it's because your cooling sucks, not because of a tiny piece of background software in comparison to an actual game that's loading up your CPU and GPU.

There's so much misinformation in this thread about anti-cheat. Are there some bad implementations? Yes. Are there some good implementations? Also yes. Square Enix have a duty to ensure their online game is fair for the entire player base on all platforms and right now this really isn't the case. A client-side anti-cheat is an effective tool in a wider arsenal to keep a game secure. Look at Riot Vanguard in Valorant or Blizzard Warden in World of Warcraft, they both do a wonderful job and have drastically reduced the amount of cheating/botting in comparison to other games of the same genres.

What's the disinformation about it? EAC is auto installed with Lost Ark, the botting problem over there is massive and still ongoing to the point the Devs have admitted they are struggling to deal with it.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/bots-rema...ks-top-issues/

EAC doesn't stop cheating in many of the games it's in, it's basically like Punkbuster, a product that once upon a time was very effective, lives off name value and is completely obselete.

[Andeeria]

What's the disinformation about it? EAC is auto installed with Lost Ark, the botting problem over there is massive and still ongoing to the point the Devs have admitted they are struggling to deal with it.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/bots-rema...ks-top-issues/

EAC doesn't stop cheating in many of the games it's in, it's basically like Punkbuster, a product that once upon a time was very effective, lives off name value and is completely obselete.

I think he just does not really investigate what he says. Like he even mentions that "Warden does a wonderful job in reducing cheating/botting in WoW" - as a person who also played WoW I can assure that Warden does not do the job very well... especially in Classic.

[JanVanding]

I think he just does not really investigates what he says. Like he even mentions that "Warden does a wonderful job in reducing cheating/botting in WoW" - as a person who also played WoW I can assure that Warden does not do the job very well... especially in Classic.

Last time I played WoW was Legion and bots/cheating was still very much a thing then, you'd regularly get spammed by Gold Sellers and see bots training around. Cheating tended to be kept to BGs as Arena people would call GM attention to it immediately and I actually think this is where the real problem is for SE.

They're much too slow to react to reports of cheating, it should be something they act on as top priority and the fact it isn't even given a mention is the real cause for concern.

[Andeeria]

Last time I played WoW was Legion and bots/cheating was still very much a thing then, you'd regularly get spammed by Gold Sellers and see bots training around. Cheating tended to be kept to BGs as Arena people would call GM attention to it immediately and I actually think this is where the real problem is for SE.

They're much too slow to react to reports of cheating, it should be something they act on as top priority and the fact it isn't even given a mention is the real cause for concern.

Classic is overran with bots farming stuff, Warden does not help at all.

As for the slow reporting, this is kinda a double edged sword. It's valid security practice to let malicious software run a bit (as long as it does not do any big damage) because banning it right away might give the developers of the hack certain information (like for example what triggered the ban) which then helps them develop "fix" for it. This tactic is mostly used in automated systems doing banwaves every now and then. Of course manual reports should be investigated way faster and more throughly but we all know that Blizz does not have good track record with support lately.

[Johners]

State from Yoshi-P today regarding negative behaviour in PvP but not a single mention of cheating. A little disappointing given the fact it's clearly present in the new game mode but I guess they also want to avoid stirring up the death of plug-in doomers if they make a statement like "they're working on it".

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4efa39f992435a

[Zer0ofTime]

Square Enix don't officially support Linux though and the ability to play via WINE/Proton shouldn't trump properly supporting the platform on games they actually sell the game for.

You say this like the game has issues playing or functioning when infact it plays just fine, it's just needing certain programs to be able to log into the game.

[Johners]

Yoshi-P has given another statement on the use of third-party tools while playing Final Fantasy XIV. It's focused on PvE rather than PvP but also doesn't appear to be a change in the overall stance on implementing client-side anti-cheat software such as EAC.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5122b8b8d6ec3b

[LeonKeyh]

They can kiss a good number of their subs good bye if they were to implement any sort of client-side anti-cheat AND it wouldn't fix the problem. They're smart not to do it, assuming that they're not planning to do it.

[MilkieTea]

You'd be surprised. Razer synapse has triggered some of the anticheat softwares [Lost Ark logged me out when I turned on Synapse because it tripped EAC]

Yeahhh, yesterday I had to spend hours finagling to get Lost Ark to work with Logitech G Hub, and even when I did get it to work I was so exhausted with it that I just ultimately decided the game wasn’t worth the hassle and uninstalled. I know I mentioned peripheral programs tripping up EAC before but it was my first time experiencing it myself and by god is it irritating.