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  1. #11
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    Masenko's Avatar
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    Vai Vilthuril
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    Thanks for your constructive criticism. Attitudes like that really make the world a better place as we are all able to correctly identify what (or in some pertinent cases who) the problem is and either deal with them, ignore them, or write a thinly-veiled response about their mother and/or small anatomy. Not that any of that is happening here, certainly.
    That would be rude.
    Much like how horribly rude the housing system is. Did you know that some people have been trying to get houses since release and have just had no luck? Try simple human empathy; it's pretty neat.
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  2. #12
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    Flea Pyroh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masenko View Post

    Design philosophy: Dungeons have been moving more towards a single-player friendly design. Recently with the Duty Support goon squads you can single-player experience your way through a giant chunk of the game. Why... WHY is housing not like this?
    All these years of lurking on the forums and not making an account and now you've pulled me into it.

    Here's the thing that really irritates me.

    Everything's going solo. Crafting? Easier so it can be solo'd. Dungeons? Easier so it can be solo'd.

    But Square keeps squalling that they want to build community?!

    Do you know how I met most of my friends in this game? Not the mega-FCs that invited every newb where no one said hello. I got friends and made a community off of people I met in dungeons, and people who turned their houses into cafes and museums and other neat little oddities.

    Pick one Square. What do you want? Do you want basically a cheap, typical-Eastern single player MMO where you maybe go raid and that's one of your few interactions with other humans?

    Or do you want a vibrant game full of happy players and community?

    The way you're going, you're not heading for the second one. More houses, personal AND FC, is how you're going to enrich the social culture of your game. Especially if you want to slim down human interaction through huge chunks of the game to basically naught.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleap View Post
    Or do you want a vibrant game full of happy players and community?

    The way you're going, you're not heading for the second one. More houses, personal AND FC, is how you're going to enrich the social culture of your game. Especially if you want to slim down human interaction through huge chunks of the game to basically naught.
    People shouldn't have to deal with artifical scarcity and a broken housing lottery system. Most people will not be happy with it. The only way to realistically fix that is to redesign housing so either:
    1. People don't have to be cramped into smalls, with dog crap item limits and no space (meaning it would have to be instanced)
    2.

    that's it, really. There simply aren't enough large and medium houses for the people who want them. Without instanced housing, which would solve the issue of not having access to a company workshop/gardening (both of which are basically non-issues, given are current circumstances; anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to make FC housing look dire when it isnt) if all they do is keep the current layout and add wards, you would have wards full of empty small plots and a bunch of eaten up medium and large ones.

    There's no reason homesteads can't be visitable either. If you're even worried about community just give people who own homes an easily referable ID akin to a phone number.
    Hell, if someone comes to your house and starts trolling you you could probably have functionality to ban them from the exterior. There's just way more reason to do it than to not.
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    Last edited by Corvus_V; 04-17-2022 at 03:12 PM.

  4. #14
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    SE Logic: We can't add more wards because technical complexity
    Also SE: Literally adds an entirely new district

    Okay.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masenko View Post
    Did you know that some people have been trying to get houses since release and have just had no luck?
    Did you know that they are lying when they say that?

    Even Balmung had a brief period in 4.2 when houses were available for the taking. If they'd genuinely been trying to get a house all that time, they would have gotten one.

    Certainly anyone new to the game in the last 3 years would be facing an uphill battle in getting a house but that is not true of long time players who have had plenty of opportunities but didn't take advantage of them.
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  6. #16
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    I guarantee you there are some people who aren't lying.
    You're not taking into consideration that some people's efforts included trying to get the gil to buy the house in the first place.
    Also "brief period" I think doesn't really bolster your point. Looking for a house shouldn't have to be a 24/7/365/11 job.
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  7. #17
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    Astelon Syth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masenko View Post
    Also "brief period" I think doesn't really bolster your point. Looking for a house shouldn't have to be a 24/7/365/11 job.
    I want to emphasize this point by adding that many people, myself included, have wanted a private house for a years, but then we have this influx of players from WoW that floods out servers populations and haven't experienced the private housing crisis, and they have an equal chance to someone who has dreamed about having their own place for ages. I've spoken with someone who has only played for 9 months but they still won a house. I get that SE wants to make things fair for everyone, but how is it fair to give housing based on luck if it means people will have their dream house swiped up from under their noses by someone who might never have felt the sting of the housing crisis?
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  8. #18
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    Exactly, housing won't ever be fixed until it's accessible. It's such a shame too because the devs have proven themselves capable of so much better. A game that has become famous for it's respectful, quality design choices that never force you to spend extra time on the game. Then there's this singular FOBO system that straight up tells you, even after the patch, "Oh, you didn't get a house? Well tough luck but you can still buy a singular room to decorate" It's frankly shameful that this system is still accepted years and years later. It was already shameful in the beginning when people had to lose sleep and go without food, water, or bathroom to maximize their chances. That they've only now made a patch up system that alleviates that is only barely solving the fucking shitstorm of problems housing has. People are not gonna be in any more of an uproar if we sacrifice neighborhoods for instanced housing. In fact I think there will be a collective cry of joy/relief because housing is finally accessible to normal people.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Did you know that they are lying when they say that?

    Even Balmung had a brief period in 4.2 when houses were available for the taking. If they'd genuinely been trying to get a house all that time, they would have gotten one.

    Certainly anyone new to the game in the last 3 years would be facing an uphill battle in getting a house but that is not true of long time players who have had plenty of opportunities but didn't take advantage of them.
    Uh huh, yeah just so you know last time they added wards to the game my FC tried to get a house. We logged in within 10 mins of the patch being done and every single large in the server was taken. All fucking 60 of them. We had the money, we were there fast, we just didn't get it because of internet ping. Fucking *lag* lost us our chance at a house. I assure you those people are not lying lmao.
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    Last edited by KikiTia; 04-18-2022 at 11:53 AM. Reason: added in quote

  10. #20
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    Ramona Belle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwynn View Post
    SE Logic: We can't add more wards because technical complexity
    Also SE: Literally adds an entirely new district

    Okay.
    Also SE: Makes an instanced island space that is FARMVILLE with minions and the ability to place furniture like housing.....
    So yes they just proved to us they can do instanced housing just by having the feature to place furniture on island sanctuary AND keeps it separate and individual to each player.
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