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    Quote Originally Posted by Seera1024 View Post
    So you\\'d be fine with someone or an FC losing their house if things bug out just so someone else or another FC can relocate or get a house?

    Sometimes in life when problems happen, there\\'s no perfect solution. The only solution is a lesser of a set of evils.

    The best that can be done is:

    1. Fix the problem so it doesn\\'t happen again.
    2. Anything done for the players affected that has a low chance of causing additional problems.

    The ways to address the issue for those who did the lottery:

    1. Complete rollback of the servers to before the lottery winners were drawn - assuming that the fix doesn\\'t require wiping the slate clean of the bids
    2. Somehow revert any relocations and new houses and redraw all lotteries - not sure there is existing framework for this in place
    3. Figure out who were sole bidders on plots affected by the 0/no participants bug and give them the plot they bid on. - not sure how this would work for those who already accepted the refund of the deposit for the plot
    4. Nothing special and just open up the bidding without doing anything special - sometimes there\\'s no way to make things right and you just have to move on

    Solution 1, we\\'ve gone too long for this to even be a possibility. Unless they want to open a can of worms for all of the people who made progress with the game since the glitch happened.

    Solution 2, has a number of problems. One is that there isn\\'t a system in place for the reversal of a relocation meaning that things would need to be made and thoroughly tested. Because if that fails for a relocation and then that relocating player or FC loses the redraw, then they\\'ve lost their house. They\\'d also have to deal with players who won a new house or upgraded to a larger plot and won initially, bought stuff, and then lost the lottery redraw being upset at how they\\'ve now made purchases that they have no use for currently and they wouldn\\'t have bought it without having won the lottery first because of storage space. Compound that even more with the FC that glitched out and lost their house in the shuffle and you\\'ve just made things worse.

    Solution 3, only has an issue if they aren\\'t able to figure out a way to give a house to someone who should have won no matter how many times the draw is done the bid but refunded the money. Still wouldn\\'t make things worse.

    Solution 4, leaves players at the same spot they were before the lottery happened. The solution wouldn\\'t make things worse.

    In all likelihood it\\'s going to be Solution 3 or Solution 4 that will happen once they get the lottery system working again. Because anything else would have too high of a chance of making things worse.
    Yes I am fine with it I have no issues saying it they got their win off a faulty system at the end of day. We all sign up for a rng lottery to excepting it to be fair and at the end of day it was not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Escence View Post
    Yes I am fine with it I have no issues saying it they got their win off a faulty system at the end of day. We all sign up for a rng lottery to excepting it to be fair and at the end of day it was not.
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    Last edited by Livilda; 04-19-2022 at 08:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escence View Post
    Yes I am fine with it I have no issues saying it they got their win off a faulty system at the end of day. We all sign up for a rng lottery to excepting it to be fair and at the end of day it was not.
    And you're the one who is complaining about people in this community not sticking up for each other?!

    This right here is not sticking up for people.

    You'd be just fine with people losing their houses if something glitched out in their solution to the problem. That's real supportive.

    Especially now that it's come out that the results were accurate and the cases where it stated 0 was due to a communication error - but the system wasn't designed to accept a non-answer as an answer and so it had to come up with something. And SE rightfully designed that something as 0 so that no one would win in error in a case where the servers failed to communicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Escence View Post
    Yes I am fine with it I have no issues saying it they got their win off a faulty system at the end of day. We all sign up for a rng lottery to excepting it to be fair and at the end of day it was not.
    But literally no one got a win off of a faulty system. Not even the people who successfully purchased their plots in the lottery system.
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