Open Message to the Developers

[MilkieTea]

I'm deleting this message here until I can figure out how to scrap the thread completely. This was stupid.

The original message was that while there's a lot going on and the devs have done well in many areas, it's still important to fix issues with housing, hrothgar ears, and hats for viera and hrothgar. I expect the devs to fix these things and it seems pretty clear how mad the community is about it. I don't think screaming at people gets points across better so wanted to try and express it like they're people who messed up.

I wasn't pissy enough and underestimated the behavior on lodestone. Don't worry, this will be gone as soon as I find the way to get rid of it.

That's not what you said...

I haven't posted on Lodestone in a bit, and sort of expect this to get lost in the shuffle. I'm aware there's been a lot of criticism around the Hrothgar ears situation, Hrothgar/Viera hats generally, as well as housing lottery issues. My assumption is that there are likely some very stressed people on the FFXIV team tied to these subjects.

I'd just like to take a moment to say that while these are points that need to be addressed, I know I and many other fans still respect and appreciate you all a lot. We recognize that the developers work hard as well as sincerely, and we do appreciate when there's transparency about any problems that arise.

Please remember to take care of yourselves too. While there might be frustration tied to issues with the game it means a lot when those are recognized and prioritized as well. We also see how much effort went into the parts of the game that are going as intended, and appreciate that.

[CrimsonGunner]

This is deranged and people don't seem to have any concept of mixed opinions anymore. Have fun with you homogenous one-dimensional opinions and rage I guess.

the devs might be over stressed and true bugs happens,
but not those kind of simple bugs where Q&A would simply find them, for a system developed by a huge company that supposedly have many devs over a few months such a simple bug should not have been passed to a patch. simple.

[AziraSyuren]

Here's my open letter:

Dear devs,

I love this game. Please stop fucking up housing, though. If you finally got around to fixing Living Dead, you can fix this.

Regards,
Azira

[Manofpassion]

I would be a lot more sympathetic to the devs assuming they can show signs of competency. To the layman, it looks like they can't even design a working random number generator. That's just embarrassing no matter how people try to spin it. Now people might have gotten houses not because they won fairly, but due to bias in the broken system. So they either rollback, fucking over people who won the house, or don't roll back, fucking over people who didn't win the house. They might even have to rerun the lottery again, wasting people's time. Either way, someone is getting screwed over. Square messed up big time, no empty platitudes are gonna hide that. If i messed up that much in my job, heads will roll.

At the rate this patch is going, with the bard glitch and the housing glitch, the hilidibrand quests are gonna be an unplayable mess. I personally am nostalgic for the days of 6.08. Less content, sure, but at least it worked. There is a time and place for dev appreciation, and I can tell you everyone into housing aren't feeling appreciative at all.

[MilkieTea]

"The original message was that while there's a lot going on and the devs have done well in many areas, it's still important to fix issues with housing, hrothgar ears, and hats for viera and hrothgar. I expect the devs to fix these things and it seems pretty clear how mad the community is about it. I don't think screaming at people gets points across better so wanted to try and express it like they're people who messed up."


"I'm aware there's been a lot of criticism around the Hrothgar ears situation, Hrothgar/Viera hats generally, as well as housing lottery issues", "these are points that need to be addressed", "it means a lot when those are recognized and prioritized as well." --> it's still important to fix issues with housing, hrothgar ears, and hats for viera and hrothgar.


Saying "I expect the devs to fix these things and it seems pretty clear how mad the community is about it. I don't think screaming at people gets points across better so wanted to try and express it like they're people who messed up," isn't me asserting I explicitly stated those things originally. That's my overall opinion and where I was coming from. Honestly I underestimated people's behavior because I haven't been on lodestone.

Oops.

Throw me in e-jail forever.

They’re two completely opposite statements.

One is: “The devs have done a lot of good, BUT right now there’s a lot going on that they need to work on and address

while the other is: “There’s a lot going on right now that needs to be worked on and addressed, BUT the devs have done a lot of good.” Your emphasis in your first message was this, indicating a need to acknowledge the devs great actions in previous years.

Whereas your new message reads as though, WHILE you acknowledge the dev’s actions, they don’t particularly matter when we’ve got a sh*tshow going on right now.

[MilkieTea]

I think you misunderstood the original message, or maybe I wasn't clear enough in expressing my own thoughts. I specifically meant that the devs have done a lot of good, BUT they need to work on and address the problems with hrothgar/viera and housing. Like that was the entire point of the post for me. If you don't believe me there's nothing I can do about it, but sincerely that was my intent.

I do think the devs actions matter on other areas. I think both the good and bad things matter. Right now there's a major problem, they have for the most part been good about fixing things in the past but have let this slide when they shouldn't have. So now they need to make fixing this a top priority. They built up a lot of good faith from players but this is bad, and it seems like it is a point where they could justifiably lose good faith if they don't take it seriously. So I meant to urge taking it seriously without being extreme or nasty in expressing that, because honestly I think that approach is less effective.

Then say what you mean initially, rather than not. In your attempt to sugar coat what you were saying you ended up saying the opposite of what you meant. Your original message *wasn’t* what you said it was, and the initial response was to your ORIGINAL message, which missed its mark.

[CrimsonGunner]

I think you misunderstood the original message, or maybe I wasn't clear enough in expressing my own thoughts. I specifically meant that the devs have done a lot of good, BUT they need to work on and address the problems with hrothgar/viera and housing. Like that was the entire point of the post for me. If you don't believe me there's nothing I can do about it, but sincerely that was my intent.

I do think the devs actions matter on other areas. I think both the good and bad things matter. Right now there's a major problem, they have for the most part been good about fixing things in the past but have let this slide when they shouldn't have. So now they need to make fixing this a top priority. They built up a lot of good faith from players but this is bad, and it seems like it is a point where they could justifiably lose good faith if they don't take it seriously. So I meant to urge taking it seriously without being extreme or nasty in expressing that, because honestly I think that approach is less effective.

true and its good that you are positive about it, just remember housing is an issue that was complained about for years and the lottery system is something they developed for months with "testing" now the bug we see here is when one person enter the lottery and loses, its basically a bug where a small test of 1 person should have caught up to it,

add this to the fact that housing is an issue that goes around for years especially how limited housing in ff14 is (including limited very limited huge houses) and having land plots issues along the fact its not instanced housing like in other mmos which allow every player to actually have a house and you get very (and probably rightfully so) angry players.

[Manofpassion]

They can't be working that hard if they can't make a random number generator work kek

I know in the live letter yoshi p said that the patch is being knowingly shipped with some issues, but with issues this bad they really shouldn't have. It seems like all the time and effort was spent on the alliance raid and adventurer plates, and I really like both. Those two work very well. But if the rest of this patch is gonna be a coin flip on whether the new content works or just straight up breaks, this is gonna be the worst patch in recent memory. I wouldn't rule out data center travel just straight up transferring you to another data center, with no possible way to get back.

This is also supposed to be the patch that starts the next era of ffxiv, the exciting start of a new beginning. If there was gonna be a patch that demanded extra thought and care, it's gotta be this one. If this is our newfound adventure I would like to book a return ticket and go back home please.

Oh wait, I can't go home. The devs don't know how to make a simple lottery. Another homeless night in limsa then.

[CrimsonGunner]

Dude thank you. I'm actually kind of shocked by the recent stuff because they don't normally screw up this hard. It seems like they addressed PVP which was a huge issue, but the level of screwed up housing is defies belief.

It seems like they're trying to fix a lot of things at once while releasing new content, and I figure resource management + covid aren't easy. Imo if they can't get something done in the time frame they intended saying so is better than sending out content with major problems. And it absolutely worries me that some of the response so far (on hrothgar ears) seemed to be making excuses. I don't think people are wrong for being frustrated or angry and calling that out. To me, there's just a huge difference between 'angry, insisting this get fixed' and 'absolutely enraged'.

that level of incompetence is nothing new when u see how healers being treated by SE and yoshi p.
i am one of the absolutely enraged but im on the healer issues enraged, seeing the sam kaiten getting healer treatment, hrotager hairstyle the "off with their ears" treatment and now housing lottery bug. i relate to people anger cause i feel the same when it comes to the strange and quite out of touch changes they did to all the healers. its nice you are at a positive spot and believes in them but the rest of us got worn down with each action stranger then the other and repeated after they undo the bad change/implementation the devs pulled over the years and continued with the hollowed sentences of "look forward to it" or "wait till you try it before complaining".

[YukiB]

I wouldn't rule out data center travel just straight up transferring you to another data center, with no possible way to get back.

Sign me up.