Why Housing Was Doomed To Fail

[SlickPaws]

For those saying, stop crying, you wanted this, no, they didn't. Players did not ask for such a low supply of personal housing. They wanted a chance to own a house and didn't want to spend 4-5 hours at a time clicking a sign. Going from the world's worse system to this is NOT better. Your odds are still just as bad going forward.

We also wanted Square to double-check their code and not allow for jank like the lottery rolling a 0. Missed out on upgrading my FC house when I was the *only* participant on the plot I wanted. Went from being a sure thing with 100% chance of me getting it to a coin-toss based on some broken code. 6.1 has turned out to be an absolute mess between changes nobody asked for, a janky lottery system that doesn't work as intended, visual bugs and glitches up the wazoo and no real end in sight beyond "we're sorry for your inconvenience." I've been playing for years and I've never seen any mid-expansion patch have such a negative effect before, but I suppose there has to be a first time for everything. My only hope is that the devs can sack up and deliver the fixes pretty soon because the way things are going, I don't think I'm going to renew my sub when the time comes.

[Grimsalt]

We also wanted Square to double-check their code and not allow for jank like the lottery rolling a 0. Missed out on upgrading my FC house when I was the *only* participant on the plot I wanted. Went from being a sure thing with 100% chance of me getting it to a coin-toss based on some broken code. 6.1 has turned out to be an absolute mess between changes nobody asked for, a janky lottery system that doesn't work as intended, visual bugs and glitches up the wazoo and no real end in sight beyond "we're sorry for your inconvenience." I've been playing for years and I've never seen any mid-expansion patch have such a negative effect before, but I suppose there has to be a first time for everything. My only hope is that the devs can sack up and deliver the fixes pretty soon because the way things are going, I don't think I'm going to renew my sub when the time comes.

Yeah, when talking about my grievances with the system, I wanted to focus on the housing system as a whole. The bug indeed does suck, but it wouldn't technically have been an issue if there was supply. That being said, I hope you get your house!

[StarkeRegulus]

Well, sadly, over half of my FC quit because we've been trying to get an house for ages and the old system was beyond garbage and now this happens. I know for most of you this shouldn't be a reason to quit but it's an adding up of situations and honestly my group of friends just wants to move on at this point.

People were already frustrated about a lot of stuff and honestly this was just the straw that broke the camel's back for many of them. Some people went out of their way to be up at dawn, some were playing on a Saturday when its "family time" for them and, all for nothing. At this point we were just angry but then Yoshida releases a boilerplate corporate speech with "Welp, sorry, we'll do better next time". No, you won't, there won't be a next time, people got fed up with "sorry's", don't be sorry be better or compensate for the losses you caused. It's not too much to ask. If people ran on their own for a house and lost, give them the damn house! We deserve better than a boilerplate corporate speech!

It's too much shit at this point. Adding to all the personal issues everyone has with the game, there's the ones that were bad for everyone. Server massive login queue that had people waiting for hours to play (you know, people that were paying subscriptions and only had those few hours to play to begin with) which at some point was almost impossible to get in on a weekend due to all the anti-AFK scripts, then they closed the server which meant if we wanted to get our friends to come try Final Fantasy, we couldn't because it was closed for 2 months, and then there was the "data center coming soon™" debacle which by "patch release estimates" we're only getting 4 months from now for visits within same areas (IE europe: chaos, light) and all over the globe not sooner than next year, if we're lucky! All of this in the span of a few months. It's too many sorrys and not actually getting stuff done and right the first time around. Sorry does NOT make up for messing up.

And above all, I know most of you see Yoshida as a God, but almost everyone I know is tired of the levity at which he answers some stuff. Shrugging his shoulders and rolling his eyes every time someone asks "IS HOUSING GOING TO BE FIXED?" feels like a taunt at this point, because he goes "Uugggh, this question again, every time", YES, every time, because you haven't fixed it the first 30 times, what do you think it's going to happen the 31st? PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK. What kind of dev never addresses a problem and expects it go away? Maybe you should wonder why people keep asking instead? It's because people care about it and they are tired of trying to get a house due to your crappy system and you refuse to fix it. Lo and behold, a light at the end of the tunnel and BAM, "sorry kids, we'll do better next time, good luck with your even lower odds of getting a house now."

Getting really hard to justify to my friends why they should keep playing this "amazing" game every time Squeenix messes up royally.

Also, the "complicated code we need to check" excuse? Coooome on. You can BS any layman with such a sorry excuse, but understand that some of us actually are coders and devs ourselves. "Complicated system that we need to through" for a raffle? Please... Either the code is basic and you're lying (my guess) or the code is unnecessarily complicated which means you need better coders which doesn't make me feel any more at ease.

[ssunny2008]

And above all, I know most of you see Yoshida as a God,

Yoshida sucks.

Downgrades across the game... hidden nerfs in gameplay presentated as QoL-feature... classes homogenized af and it still continues for no reason... dozens of braindead content poeple complain for years about... copy & paste each addon... housing still restricted for no reason but money, so players just CAN`T drop their subs sometimes...

The game has some cool graphics and a lot for "UwU" players. The popularity comes, because there is no real competitor next to WoW. Otherwise things would look different. Yoshido needs to give this game in some more competent hands. The ignorance is real far too long.

[IckeDerTyp]

These threads pain me :c

Am hopeful that SE will now finally take proper measures, even if its just to keep face after this... Debacle ^^

Coz in my mind, the only way to fix this mess is by increasing supply of houses.

It's not about a

"better system to acquire a house"
"instanced housing"
"add bigger Apts."

(tho the latter I'd like)

It's simply about the willingness to pick up wads of cash and make use of them - they have said cash now. Or should have it now *cough*.

I just ask you guys one thing, stop pushing for instanced housing a la BDO/whatever.

The neighbourhoods gotta stay. Imagine what'd happen if they touched that part of the code again... *shudders*

ANYWAY, they did add a bit of supply - so goodluck to all you housing Hunters out there :3

Been playing since 2k13 and managed to get a house during Shadowbringers, so you guys can do it too~

[UkcsAlias]

Am hopeful that SE will now finally take proper measures, even if its just to keep face after this... Debacle ^^

They actualy did.

- There is now some more supply again (its not enough, but its a 25% increase in total compared to the state before)
- Placard spamming became irrelevant (which counters the bot complaint)
- Islands also will make housing itself less interesting for people as some simply wont care about farming onions, but do want to have a house. And therefor some people will just accept this as solution and stop going for a house at all (again a way to increase supply by getting players less interested in a normal house).
- And they actualy did a split on type to counter the FC without house issue.

That its still not optimal is true, but it is an improvement. And who knows if they actualy already had plans to increase each region in the number of wards, but are delaying that after islands?

(sure, they created new issues in the process, but thats what always happens)

[GillianGraceB]

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"For personal houses, SE released wards 19-24. Each ward has 60 homes, and on my server, after running around for a couple of hours, about ten people were bidding on a single house, and on some plots, that went up to 30 bids. We will assume a low number of 5 per house for our purpose. That is 360 houses trying to be split between 1800 people bidding. Of course, people are going to be upset. The supply is not there. "



I also think it's strange that people relocating didn't get any type of a benefit in the lottery. If 1800 people are bidding but 50 of them are trying to relocate, if they win there are still 50 open plots somewhere else.

[Colt47]

In all the years I've played the game, I can't think of a single time where housing produced feelings of joy or happiness. The only memories I have of people interacting with the housing system that was introduced was a mix of anxiety, anger, disbelief, and cynicism. When someone makes an MMO like this and generates a system that can only be participated or experienced by those that break TOS or commit great amounts of sacrifice on their own part while still being beholden to the roll of a dice, there is no happiness.

The only fate someone has who succeeds in buying is to be beholden to a timer to keep the house alive after spending millions of gil and probably gameplay hours decorating it, with minimal gameplay functionality on top of it all.

[StarkeRegulus]

In all the years I've played the game, I can't think of a single time where housing produced feelings of joy or happiness. The only memories I have of people interacting with the housing system that was introduced was a mix of anxiety, anger, disbelief, and cynicism. When someone makes an MMO like this and generates a system that can only be participated or experienced by those that break TOS or commit great amounts of sacrifice on their own part while still being beholden to the roll of a dice, there is no happiness.

The only fate someone has who succeeds in buying is to be beholden to a timer to keep the house alive after spending millions of gil and probably gameplay hours decorating it, with minimal gameplay functionality on top of it all.

Preach. Was meant to be fun, it's not and it bars content and functionality behind it.