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  1. #751
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherRose View Post
    1.) Healer problems. You mean what healers specifically wanted but never got because SE did things their own way? Just because you want things your way doesn't mean you are going to get it. That's the cold harsh truth unfortunately for MMO's. I've played healer since 1.0 up until ShB. There was nothing done with healers that I felt the need to portray my feelings about.

    2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.

    3.) Horrid job design for 6.1? I don't know. A majority of the player base seems fine with it. Just because you have a thread on the forum with some-hundred upvotes doesn't mean that voices the other hundred thousand to millions players. I feel like it's only a small core group of people that don't like things.

    As for the other stuff - things happen. But then they fix them and they are VERY transparent on what they are doing. Which is rare for other companies.

    I'm sure it's not the dev's caring anymore. You forget a few things. Pandemic was a factor throughout the work force. CBU3 is working on both FFXVI and FFXIV. They have a strict patch/update schedule. So combine the spread out work force (possibly) with the absurd japanese work culture. And yea.

    But I personally don't think FFXIV is going on such a drastic down spiral like you assume.
    Please, do not side with a multi billion dollar a year company telling you they do not have the resources to put digital hats on characters. Please. It takes them minutes to make enough for the extra salaries that would require.
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  2. #752
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZefraSurtr View Post
    Please, do not side with a multi billion dollar a year company telling you they do not have the resources to put digital hats on characters. Please. It takes them minutes to make enough for the extra salaries that would require.
    Honestly, even if we take the problem at face value and accept that it's an issue they can't easily address...

    If they wanted to add a bestial race as a playable option then they could have taken five minutes to look at how WoW and ESO handle their equivalent bestial races. In both games, gear is altered around specific features. In ESO, unique hairstyles and helmets are provided to compensate for anything the bestial races miss out on where the more human looking playable races are concerned.
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  3. #753
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherRose View Post
    2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.
    Imagine telling players of said races that they would receive updates, not give it to them without telling them you changed your mind, and then trying to place the blame on the players

    Are people really this much of a clown?

    What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....

    A friend of mine echoed your sentiment. He used a pretty bad analogy

    "Me: Imagine if yoshi asked you to borrow $200, said he'd give it back ASAP and 10 years later, he didn't give it back

    Him: He may have taken the $200, but he gave you a mansion

    Me: The walls are falling in, the electricity and plumbing are faulty, and there are holes all in the roof and the walls. Doesnt matter if he gave me a mansion, its still in a deplorable condition that makes it almost unlivable...."

    We no longer talk about XIV together anymore (we still talk. Just no longer about XIV because he knows how passionate I am about this subject...)(
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    Last edited by Akimori; 04-28-2022 at 09:10 PM.

  4. #754
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    Venat and her actions, and how we're forced to react positively to such in-game (go look at the lore subforum if you don't believe me on that one being badly recieved). The Summoner changes, the lack of healer improvements and general outright ignoring of the role, the Samurai changes, Ninja changes, several other job changes, LACK of changes/improvements for some classes like Machinist, poor handling of server stuff on expac launch despite being aware of it for ages, and lastly the attitude the director has had in the past several live-letters, especially regarding healers and veteran players ("We're never going back to the heavensward days so you can stop asking for it" (mostly directed at DRK players IIRC as they were the ones mainly asking for a return of their HW class version), "if you don't like current healer gameplay just go play ultimate", etc etc).
    Outside of that its just the usual stuff of "x instance is too hard please nerf it" and other related complaints that always show up.
    oh, i see. i thought the controversial tag was about the story but it didnt occur to me that the lack of or terrible gameplay adjustments should be included. WHich is funny since I live in breath samurai and are currently really sad about the changes.
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  5. #755
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akimori View Post
    Imagine telling players of said races that they would receive updates, not give it to them without telling them you changed your mind, and then trying to place the blame on the players

    Are people really this much of a clown?

    What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....

    A friend of mine echoed your sentiment. He used a pretty bad analogy

    "Me: Imagine if yoshi asked you to borrow $200, said he'd give it back ASAP and 10 years later, he didn't give it back

    Him: He may have taken the $200, but he gave you a mansion

    Me: The walls are falling in, the electricity and plumbing are faulty, and there are wholes all in the roof and the walls. Doesnt matter if he gave me a mansion, its still in a deplorable condition that makes it almost unlivable...."

    We no longer talk about XIV together anymore (we still talk. Just no longer about XIV because he knows how passionate I am about this subject...)(
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    Much yes.
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    Square Enix have extorted money from Viera and Hrothgar's limitations, but from the outside looking in it seems barely any of that money is invested back into the limited races. How much money have they made from players
    fantasia'ing to and from the limited races? We want more race-exclusive hair.
    We want them improved, and we want it done within a reasonable time.

  6. #756
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenheit View Post
    oh, i see. i thought the controversial tag was about the story but it didnt occur to me that the lack of or terrible gameplay adjustments should be included. WHich is funny since I live in breath samurai and are currently really sad about the changes.
    The "controversy" of the story only really exists within a small subsect of the community. When Endwalker first released, the plot received almost universal praise and people who didn't like it were a massively-downvoted minority. But as more people start reaching the end of 6.0, or have more time to think on it after the spectacle and rush of first-time-play has died down, we've started to see more criticism. Despite that, the VAST majority still love the story, whether or not they acknowledge flaws.

    But as I've said before, you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise, because the plot-critical threads on this forum have been teetering on becoming an echo chamber.
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  7. #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akimori View Post
    What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....
    I don't even get why "but players knew" is an argument against feedback in the first place.

    Lets say you have a favorite restaurant. You like it, but the menu is a bit boring and hasn't changed at all in years so customers request some variety. The restaurant adds a few new dishes, but tells you that cooking food is hard, so they're going to cut a few ingredients, half cook it and leave the occasional bit of turd in it. But they might cook it properly later!

    Customers respond with the feedback that "hey, half done meals with surprise turds aren't very appealing, we aren't happy" and next thing a small group of random people appear out of nowhere, shove them back and yell at them them to shut up, eat it and that they should be happy to pay money for it because the restaurant told them the food would be crap from the start.

    Makes no sense? Exactly.
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  8. #758
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Understandable. You probably aren't at the level of play where this discussion holds much value to you which is when healer is most fun.
    "You must play 100 hours before it gets good." Yeah no, that sounds more like fatigue and burnout to me. Take break, play other classes or play other games. It's fine, ffxiv isn't going anywhere for now.
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  9. #759
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    FFXIV has always evolved around being accessible, along side with MSQ as focus and promoting a "great community", so IMO certain part of the players complaining are the ones out of touch. However, we have reached a point that it's getting less fun.
    Honest question I'd like to hear an honest to for you and everyone else that uses accessibility as an argument for what happened to healers:
    do you know the difference between skill floor and skill ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorio View Post
    "You must play 100 hours before it gets good." Yeah no, that sounds more like fatigue and burnout to me. Take break, play other classes or play other games. It's fine, ffxiv isn't going anywhere for now.
    Hyperboles as usual.
    As has been pointed out numerous times: your AST is level 51 and you have GNB listed as your main. You are not exactly in a position to comment on the deep-rooted issues the entire role has because you simply lack experience and that is fine.
    Whether you ever get it or not is up to you but there is a good reason for people usually not barging into discussion about a class when they have barely played them.
    And healer gets worse the more you play it, not the other way around. You misread that. Right now you're enjoying it precisely because you're still very inexperienced and low level at that.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 04-28-2022 at 11:40 PM.

  10. #760
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorio View Post
    "You must play 100 hours before it gets good." Yeah no, that sounds more like fatigue and burnout to me. Take break, play other classes or play other games. It's fine, ffxiv isn't going anywhere for now.
    So are you going to address the people pointing out that you don't play healers at all or are you going to just continue being condescending and dismissive to people criticizing their main role, which you don't even play?
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