What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Isutowaru]

Just don't release a buggy patch 4head

[CrimsonGunner]

Yes, I can find many dead threads on this forum with plenty of critiques of the game. So once again I tell you, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary regarding your conspiracy theory that there is a deliberate silencing of people who are offering critique. Bluntly put, I'm just going to say either there's a disparity between what you understand as being cordial, and what is in reality expressing oneself in a cordial manner. Alternatively, people are just trying to garner sympathy with the illusion that they are being silenced for merely offering critique. Once again, evidence to the contrary regarding your claim and the exhibit are these very threads. If other threads have been deleted it is likely because of a significant overflow of people doing needless back and forth with insults.

My only problem with your post was:

i agree, i don't remember silencing but you get attacked for each opinion especially controversial ones like Viera and Hrothgar and their treatment which i still think is absolute disgrace that after 4+ yeears(an entire expansion and beyond) those races must use fantasia to actually change hairstyles and not use the npc like every other race only cause ears....

anyway my thought on those, any backlash or badmouth critique SE is getting is basically what they sowed themselves for ignoring years of feedback and tbh their very lazy implementations they thrown out in EW(whm potencies never adjusted, Hrothgar hair and now the lottery system bug) which quite frankly should be a huge shame for big gaming company especially for yoshi-p who prides on quality content and actually "QA" before patching( hahahaha yea right. where was QA being done when healers were being checked for EW).

[CrimsonGunner]

No when I say folks like you I mean people who make baseless claims and use hyperbole to make a point. People aren't being banned left n right JUST for critism dude. That in fact is false. But apparently my rebuttal isn't factual enough for you. (Which is hilarious because my actual rebuttal was before the post you decided to quote).

And my experience is just as valid as yours. I never claimed folks who find it boring are wrong. I didn't even make the "I don't experience it so it doesn't exist" argument. You (like many others) are putting words in my mouth trying to paint me in a bad light. And if tanks are about to solo p1n that sounds less like a healer issue and more like a tank issue. They're either to OP or the content isn't hard enough. And I've yet to see folks call for Tank nerfs other than War. Buffing healers won't make those P1n magically stop being doable via tans only

again your experience is not a fact, numbers ,definite prof, that thing we use to prove someone or something is wrong unlike saying "all is fine" when your inside a burning building, saying " i feel" or "my experience is not your" is not fact.
and do try to read forums bud, the "tanks healing too much" thread does exist. not reading something don't mean its not there again.

something i forgot to note, people allowed to be hyperbole its how they feel right now so they express it that way.
no one will take such an hyperbole opinion seriously unless its backed by logic and numbers which are the case when talking about healers, the healers double standard and the actual fact that yoshi-p said to healers the famous phrase "go play ultimates" while being dismissive to healers questions and actual healer feedbacks.
as i said every point of harsh critique is all yoshi-p fault and their treatment to the respective community.

[Kaurhz]

i agree, i don't remember silencing but you get attacked for each opinion especially controversial ones like Viera and Hrothgar and their treatment which i still think is absolute disgrace that after 4+ yeears(an entire expansion and beyond) those races must use fantasia to actually change hairstyles and not use the npc like every other race only cause ears....

anyway my thought on those, any backlash or badmouth critique SE is getting is basically what they sowed themselves for ignoring years of feedback and tbh their very lazy implementations they thrown out in EW(whm potencies never adjusted, Hrothgar hair and now the lottery system bug) which quite frankly should be a huge shame for big gaming company especially for yoshi-p who prides on quality content and actually "QA" before patching( hahahaha yea right. where was QA being done when healers were being checked for EW).

It's just trying to garner sympathy, either that or people don't understand the cordial, or civil discussion. That being said, insults have been thrown from every corner, be it from being attacked for having a controversial opinion, an opinion that is a critique, or praise. Be it with the claims that people cannot stand their 'perfect' game being criticized, or the claims that people are white knights, bootlickers (or the insinuation of such), or toxic positivists. Going back to the last point, whilst there are people that cannot handle criticism, in equal measure, there are people who cannot handle a critique of their opinion or criticism; critiquing the critique, some might say, and in many cases going as far as to host the mentality that all criticisms and issues amongst players should be homogenous.

I don't deny that they've caused issues for themselves by ignoring many of the issues, and in fact, should be critiqued for such, but in a cordial manner. Saying someone should be fired or should quit their job over an issue does not resolve the said issue, it is a nonconductive band-aid. A better suggestion would be that they should be more in touch and interact with their community. As I said in a previous thread. Polling players on the issues surrounding Hrothgar especially would have gone a long way by being polled prior as opposed to subsequent to the fact of the issues. This will be controversial, but they get too riled up in band-aiding, or trying solutions, as opposed to tokenism. The way I see it, players would prefer thought-out solutions and even with a delayed solution or proposal, I think players would have been a lot more receptive had they just extended the gesture of polling players.

Finally, regardless of how longstanding some of these issues are, or their lack of reception/response to some players' issues, it doesn't preclude maintaining a cordial or civil stance on the matter. Being abrasive does nothing for anyone, regardless of the matter at hand. This is why sometimes it is simply just a good suggestion to take a step back. Granted, people vocalized this in the most abrasive or dismissive way possible. I've had longstanding issues with crafting, for example. Since SB I've just ceded to the idea that SE does not have the same design philosophy, so I regularly take a step back and it's refreshing. But each to their own.

[IkaraGreydancer]

again your experience is not a fact, numbers ,definite prof, that thing we use to prove someone or something is wrong unlike saying "all is fine" when your inside a burning building, saying " i feel" or "my experience id not your" is not fact.
and do try to read forums bud, the "tanks healing too much" thread does exist not reading something don't mean its not there again.

Nor did I say it doesn't exist. Are YOU reading? All I said was "I've not seen", not "it doesn't exist". You come here trying to sound smart yet you keep injecting things I've never said. You really make it hard for folks to emphasize with you when you do stuff like that.
It's not a fact that healers are boring. It IS a fact they are far more simple these days compared to some years ago.
Whether that's good or bad will vary by the person and thats fine. People can say "well that's not how my experience has been". That and "no you're wrong", aren't the same yet you and many others keep lumping the 2 together. It's odd that you even brought up p1n when we were talking about healers lacking to you when that's situation has nothing to do with them.

I'd say the Trinity is for sure a bit skewed, but it's not broken as others feel. Again just my opinion. Problem is I can't say things like this without being thrown into the defender/boot licking camp because a part of this community has turned this into an "us vs them" scenario

[CrimsonGunner]

Nor did I say it doesn't exist. Are YOU reading? All I said was "I've not seen", not "it doesn't exist". You come here trying to sound smart yet you keep injecting things I've never said. You really make it hard for folks to emphasize with you when you do stuff like that.
It's not a fact that healers are boring. It IS a fact they are far more simple these days compared to some years ago.
Whether that's good or bad will vary by the person and thats fine. People can say "well that's not how my experience has been". That and "no you're wrong", aren't the same yet you and many others keep lumping the 2 together. It's odd that you even brought up p1n when we were talking about healers lacking to you when that's situation has nothing to do with them.

I'd say the Trinity is for sure a bit skewed, but it's not broken as others feel. Again just my opinion. Problem is I can't say things like this without being thrown into the defender/boot licking camp because a part of this community has turned this into an "us vs them" scenario

really you don't find the fact that tanks overhealing themselved and others as not part of the healers issues? the role that by design is suppose to heal others and doesn't tribute to the issues that healers simply have nothing to heal or in fact boring?
you read your comments now right?
simple is one thing but simple and 0 use of your plethora of healing spells in content and content that is suppose to be challenging you literally have comps that can do the run just fine without any of the jobs related to your role is ok?.

listen i said it before and i say it again, your experiences, my experiences are not facts.
when you have tanks and dps can heal themselves and others without healer in content up to savage runs + healers only have 1 dps button to use when 0 healing is needed with actual evidence said stuff is happening.
how any of those facts tell you "healers are not boring but simple" especially if that was not the case cause the "i quite healing" and "healers issues" threads that goes above 60+ pages exist and are still relevant to this day with every type of player talks there both casual and hardcore players.

its not denying your experience, its the basic facts that contradict your statements and trying to validate "my experience" as a fact simply not valid. its that basic.

[IkaraGreydancer]

really you don't find the fact that tanks overhealing themselved and others as not part of the healers issues? the role that by design is suppose to heal others and doesn't tribute to the issues that healers simply have nothing to heal or in fact boring?
you read your comments now right?
simple is one thing but simple and 0 use of your plethora of healing spells in content and content that is suppose to be challenging you literally have comps that can do the run just fine without any of the jobs related to your role is ok?.

listen i said it before and i say it again, your experiences, my experiences are not facts.
when you have tanks and dps can heal themselves and others without healer in content up to savage runs + healers only have 1 dps button to use when 0 healing is needed with actual evidence said stuff is happening.
how any of those facts tell you "healers are not boring but simple" especially if that was not the case cause the "i quite healing" and "healers issues" threads that goes above 60+ pages exist and are still relevant to this day with every type of player talks there both casual and hardcore players.

its not denying your experience, its the basic facts that contradict your statements and trying to validate "my experience" as a fact simply not valid. its that basic.

I'll say this, as a Sage main I use all my tools. But as you prefer to go with. "That's not the facts".
Im not going to continue with the circular logic. Its not going anywhere realistically. You have your viewpoint, I have mine.

[CrimsonGunner]

I'll say this, as a Sage main I use all my tools. But as you prefer to go with. "That's not the facts".
Im not going to continue with the circular logic. Its not going anywhere realistically. You have your viewpoint, I have mine.

except its you have your viewpoint and its i have my viewpoints and evidence that show healers don't have to heal/are unneeded in content which makes both viewpoints irrelevant cause again facts are facts.

[Nethereal]

I'll say this, as a Sage main I use all my tools. But as you prefer to go with. "That's not the facts".
Im not going to continue with the circular logic. Its not going anywhere realistically. You have your viewpoint, I have mine.

No one is saying healers don't use all their tools, they're saying for 80% of the fight they're pressing 2 buttons to deal damage and the other 20% is actually healing.

This is a problem. A Healer is spending 80% of the fight dealing damage. With. 2. Buttons.

If I'm not going to be a real healer and spend at least 50% of my time in a fight healing, give me a real dps kit.

Fact is you spend more time dealing damage than healing.

[LisSquid]

Every time I think about the state of 14 I hear "Go play Ultimate" echo in the back of my mind and I go play something else.

FFXIV has become a seasonal game for me. I do not feel heard and SE has no intention of swallowing their pride and changing direction. Which, their game their choice. I'm just no longer able to get invested anymore.