What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[TaleraRistain]

If the devs were trying their best to make sure people knew the limitations of Viera and Hrothgar, why isn't there anywhere in the character creation screen for new players that states their limitations versus the other races? Sure, you get a free fantasia at the end of ARR base storyline, but it's negligence at best for them to not let new players know that these races aren't like the others. Should we just expect that anyone who is new should know this information?

Not an unreasonable suggestion but why not help the devs and give suggestions on what it should say? They could probably stand to expand instructions in that area. There are differences with male and female in older races that aren't spelled out either and probably could be.

[Nizzi]

Not an unreasonable suggestion but why not help the devs and give suggestions on what it should say? They could probably stand to expand instructions in that area. There are differences with male and female in older races that aren't spelled out either and probably could be.

My problem with this is... why should the playerbase be the ones to suggest to them that they should actually warn people about these limitations if these limitations are something they're adamant towards sticking with? Shouldn't they have had these warnings in the game from the time Shadowbringers launched? I mean, you have to pay for Shadowbringers to get access to these races, so if you want to play as one, you're already out the $40 plus the subscription fee or whatever, and these limitations are nowhere on any of the promotional material they put out for this game that openly advertises the races as one of the reasons to buy the new expac. They were even advertising male Viera with EW promotions and not a single word about the limitations on male Viera was present.

I don't want to say they're intentionally being malicious, but it is a bit hard for me to feel sympathetic towards the devs with the reasoning of "they let you know back in Stormblood that these were going to come with limitations!" when they've otherwise made absolutely 0 effort on making that apparent in anything outside of live letters, especially towards new players who started at or after Shadowbringers launched. I don't think it should be up to the playerbase to make the developers do the right thing. If they're so adamant on keeping these limitations to the point it irritates and frustrates them when players complain, then they should do their own due diligence to let it be known that these are not, and will never be fully functioning races. Until they do that without the community demanding that they do the right thing, it's hard for me to feel sympathetic for them.

[pikalovr]

My problem with this is... why should the playerbase be the ones to suggest to them that they should actually warn people about these limitations if these limitations are something they're adamant towards sticking with? Shouldn't they have had these warnings in the game from the time Shadowbringers launched? I mean, you have to pay for Shadowbringers to get access to these races, so if you want to play as one, you're already out the $40 plus the subscription fee or whatever, and these limitations are nowhere on any of the promotional material they put out for this game that openly advertises the races as one of the reasons to buy the new expac. They were even advertising male Viera with EW promotions and not a single word about the limitations on male Viera was present.

I don't want to say they're intentionally being malicious, but it is a bit hard for me to feel sympathetic towards the devs with the reasoning of "they let you know back in Stormblood that these were going to come with limitations!" when they've otherwise made absolutely 0 effort on making that apparent in anything outside of live letters, especially towards new players who started at or after Shadowbringers launched. I don't think it should be up to the playerbase to make the developers do the right thing. If they're so adamant on keeping these limitations to the point it irritates and frustrates them when players complain, then they should do their own due diligence to let it be known that these are not, and will never be fully functioning races. Until they do that without the community demanding that they do the right thing, it's hard for me to feel sympathetic for them.

funnily enough a similar thing happened with tiny tina's wonderland people who bought the season pass were absolutely fuming that they spent 5-10$ on a DLC (depending on how it was bought) that was barely 10 minutes of content but people who defended them were saying that they knew what they were paying for cause it was described in the description for the DLC. as if that somehow makes up for the fact that it's 10$ for 10 minutes of content (which mind you the only thing hat was explicitly described was how the DLC was structured not how long or how in depth it would be it literally just said you get 5 rooms before a boss and that was basically it not how big the rooms were if they'd have side quests anything. worst of all they timegated the bosses forms one form each week and it was cut content)

[TaleraRistain]

My problem with this is... why should the playerbase be the ones to suggest to them that they should actually warn people about these limitations if these limitations are something they're adamant towards sticking with?

Because it gives them something concrete to focus on implementing. Saying something like "There should be a message on character creation that says X" helps them more than just "Warn people in character creation". I mean, I still don't entirely understand what all messages you want to have there myself. Do you want to warn people about hairstyles? About hats? The suggestion about availability of races being dependent on expansion is a good one.

[Akimori]

Because it gives them something concrete to focus on implementing. Saying something like "There should be a message on character creation that says X" helps them more than just "Warn people in character creation". I mean, I still don't entirely understand what all messages you want to have there myself. Do you want to warn people about hairstyles? About hats? The suggestion about availability of races being dependent on expansion is a good one.

A warning message about headgear and hair on these races being limited would be good. I know this issue was fixed recently with 6.1, but prior to that, there also should have been a warning to hrothgar specifically before they created them "You will have to buy a fantasia from the mogstation to change your hair"

Granted, that would have turned people off to it very quickly, but yea a warning about how limited these races are should be present saying something like "Certain headgear will not display" and "Not all hairstyles are available to these races"