What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[SturmChurro]

It hasn't failed, it's still insanely popular and has just as many players. For a failed game, it's probably still joint biggest MMO with FFXIV rather than having a clear lead. New expansion announcement on Tuesday anyway so unless they're going to be majorly out of touch again, there could easily be an exodus the other way.

I kind of hope for a WoW revival. I mean, I think people who like that should have a good game, but beyond that, I think that could be a nice wake up call for SE. Not that it would matter much to me personally either way, I was never a WoW player.

[Lauront]

I kind of hope for a WoW revival. I mean, I think people who like that should have a good game, but beyond that, I think that could be a nice wake up call for SE. Not that it would matter much to me personally either way, I was never a WoW player.

Having seen the direction of Activision Blizzard, it just seems unlikely. I really wish something like that would happen, as there are aspects of that game which I loved, but I think it'd take the touch of a different company, and not Blizzard's dead hand, to do it proper justice... at this point there's more chances that one of the other potential fledgling MMOs might pull through, like the one Riot is apparently planning.

[SturmChurro]

Having seen the direction of Activision Blizzard, it just seems unlikely. I really wish something like that would happen, as there are aspects of that game which I loved, but I think it'd take the touch of a different company, and not Blizzard's dead hand, to do it proper justice... at this point there's more chances that one of the other potential fledgling MMOs might pull through, like the one Riot is apparently planning.

Supposedly they are doing another WoW expansion announcement super soon. Still, I kind of doubt it too, from what I've seen. Regardless, there definitely does need to be more competition in the mmorpg sector. Everything is pretty stagnate right now, it's why I always wanted this game to get better. I will always think this game has a lot of potential. I'd rather be playing this game than taking as many breaks as I do. I really do just like playing one "main" game.

The riot MMO definitely has potential. I'll probably try it out, there's Ashes of Creation as well, but I have a feeling it will end up respectably niche - I don't think I'll end up liking that. Right now, Lost Ark has had my attention for 2 and a half months (almost 1000 hours, a lot AFK) and I still play it every single day. I suppose I just have the disposition to play a game like Lost Ark, that many others don't have. I don't see it as a true competitor to FFXIV though. This game really just needs some sort of wake up call, and I'd rather not see the game continue to go down in quality and reach a point where WoW looks to be right now.

[Lauront]

Aye, I've been playing Lost Ark as well, and while I enjoy it, it's not the same type of beast as a traditional MMO. It's good fun, though, and I'll probably stick with it for the foreseeable future, but likewise, I'd love to see this game course-correct.

[TaleraRistain]

I think it's incredibly ironic the people complaining the most in this thread about people shutting down their criticisms are the ones who are shutting down any positive word the strongest. Not that people don't have valid complaints. But we all should be able to give our feedback without being insulted. Terms like "white knight" or "blind to issues" or "shilling" when someone says something positive is just as non-constructive as calling someone a whiner for bringing up complaints. Acting like anyone who doesn't agree with everything you find wrong with the game doesn't have any complaints at all is probably not winning you any friends.

[Vahlnir]

I think it's incredibly ironic the people complaining the most in this thread about people shutting down their criticisms are the ones who are shutting down any positive word the strongest. Not that people don't have valid complaints. But we all should be able to give our feedback without being insulted. Terms like "white knight" or "blind to issues" or "shilling" when someone says something positive is just as non-constructive as calling someone a whiner for bringing up complaints. Acting like anyone who doesn't agree with everything you find wrong with the game doesn't have any complaints at all is probably not winning you any friends.

Everyone is free to have their own opinions. If they want to try to spread positivity, that's their choice, but it's not exactly the best time. Do I like some of the things they added with this patch? Sure. But they've gotta give respect to get it, and I feel very disrespected right now as a customer. I think a lot of people are done playing nice. I am one of those people. We don't need people praising the developers right now. Now is the time to draw our line in the sand.

Edit: I hate the post limit. lol

Perfectly valid for you to feel disrespected. NOT valid for you to crap on anyone who doesn't. And if people want to praise the developers and focus on the things they like, they have just as much right to do so as you do. No one telling you to play nice with the developers. Don't turn your vitriol on other players who don't think the same as you do.

I saw someone on this very thread say they thought this patch as great and a whole lot of you just dogpiled on them. Their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Again, they are free to have their opinions and post them here. We are just as free to disagree with them, and they in return. However, some people need to learn to read a room as well.

[AziraSyuren]

I think it's incredibly ironic the people complaining the most in this thread about people shutting down their criticisms are the ones who are shutting down any positive word the strongest. Not that people don't have valid complaints. But we all should be able to give our feedback without being insulted. Terms like "white knight" or "blind to issues" or "shilling" when someone says something positive is just as non-constructive as calling someone a whiner for bringing up complaints. Acting like anyone who doesn't agree with everything you find wrong with the game doesn't have any complaints at all is probably not winning you any friends.

You can't expect people who have been mad about housing for almost a decade to take kindly to people saying it's not that big of a deal.

Come on now.

[CrimsonGunner]

I think it's incredibly ironic the people complaining the most in this thread about people shutting down their criticisms are the ones who are shutting down any positive word the strongest. Not that people don't have valid complaints. But we all should be able to give our feedback without being insulted. Terms like "white knight" or "blind to issues" or "shilling" when someone says something positive is just as non-constructive as calling someone a whiner for bringing up complaints. Acting like anyone who doesn't agree with everything you find wrong with the game doesn't have any complaints at all is probably not winning you any friends.

except when blunting issues are being discourage like healers mp issues, sam kaiten, hrotager hairstyle implementations and telling people "all is fine" when the evidence and facts point that there is issues and problems, they kind of get whats coming both people really when they enter into arguments(im one of the complainers about healer issues as well), if you enter the waters expect to get wet especially if u try to dismiss plaguing issues.
the housing issues is actually deserved that rage since the bug should have been in a scale where Q&A had caught it and it never should have been seen in the light of day.

[AnnRam]

Indie company with very small budge and lots of feelings, please understand, stay sub and look forward to new changes in 4 months later

[CrimsonGunner]

Indie company with very small budged and lots of feeling, please understand, stay sub and look forward to new changes in 4 months later

unless it involves healers and tanks. in that case expect them in the next decade look forward to it.

edit: if it just healers, what problems all is "fine" (ignored)