What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Tho-Much]

1.) Healer problems. You mean what healers specifically wanted but never got because SE did things their own way? Just because you want things your way doesn't mean you are going to get it. That's the cold harsh truth unfortunately for MMO's. I've played healer since 1.0 up until ShB. There was nothing done with healers that I felt the need to portray my feelings about.

2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.

3.) Horrid job design for 6.1? I don't know. A majority of the player base seems fine with it. Just because you have a thread on the forum with some-hundred upvotes doesn't mean that voices the other hundred thousand to millions players. I feel like it's only a small core group of people that don't like things.

As for the other stuff - things happen. But then they fix them and they are VERY transparent on what they are doing. Which is rare for other companies.

I'm sure it's not the dev's caring anymore. You forget a few things. Pandemic was a factor throughout the work force. CBU3 is working on both FFXVI and FFXIV. They have a strict patch/update schedule. So combine the spread out work force (possibly) with the absurd japanese work culture. And yea.

But I personally don't think FFXIV is going on such a drastic down spiral like you assume.

Thank you!

[aveyond-dreams]

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Do not release "limited" races onto a playerbase that values customization options as much as the FFXIV playerbase does and then maybe just maybe catastrophes like the ongoing one will not occur. Release things that are complete, and can be updated over time. And for goodness sake, don't try to bring back gender-locked races only for the female version to be objectively better than the male variant.

Job design is all over the place. Scholar is the most boring job in the entire game but all healers feel lackluster. Samurai got the fun dopamine button taken away from them in exchange for: nothing! Except maybe an ability that will come in 7.0. You know, December 2023 if not January 2024.

Not even the Summoner changes caused as much uproar as what happened to Samurai, goodness. "CBU3 is working on FF16" does not excuse decisions like this one. There are players who just like they excused Blue Mage and how that ended up going nowhere, went on to excuse limited and gender-locked races, and would probably excuse gender-locked classes if they ever came about. As an ARR vet, that simply doesn't fly with me.

[Midareyukki]

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2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.

Excuse me WHAT.

I was NOT at all told that we were a Limited Race. That was never even part of Square's official lexicon. At best what they said was that we were going to be missing some features, but that fan request could sway their mind. Which, oh, would you look at that, it did: it's called Male Viera.

And even then, what, why are you advocating so hard for incomplete and shoddy content? "We knew they were limited but chose to cry about it"? Are you serious? Is that what people did in 1.0 when they demanded for a male Miqo'te? I'm sorry to tell you honeybun, but what we knew was that we were having incomplete races due to several different factors, but that they'd get to those factors eventually. And so far? It's been a bloody mess.

Also, great use of the past tense there. "Were". Doesn't mean they always have to be, and people who actually play those races want them to reconsider. And there's absolutely no reason not to. Everyone's already proven that it's doable with not as much effort as they seem to claim. You're just grasping at straws on that one.

We know they're busy with two games, and indeed that's probably why we're getting patches in a more spaced out timeframe. But there's something called scheduling and priority setting, which is done before anything is even decided upon. And if they actually did bother to read and understand feedback like they claim to, they'd know that that's what those players want. Because that's the thing you don't get nor want to get: it's not crying, it's feedback.

You yourself don't give any valid feedback. You don't play any race that has issues. So obviously to you it's crying. But it's because of people like you that crap like this continues to be excused.

[ZefraSurtr]

1.) Healer problems. You mean what healers specifically wanted but never got because SE did things their own way? Just because you want things your way doesn't mean you are going to get it. That's the cold harsh truth unfortunately for MMO's. I've played healer since 1.0 up until ShB. There was nothing done with healers that I felt the need to portray my feelings about.

2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.

3.) Horrid job design for 6.1? I don't know. A majority of the player base seems fine with it. Just because you have a thread on the forum with some-hundred upvotes doesn't mean that voices the other hundred thousand to millions players. I feel like it's only a small core group of people that don't like things.

As for the other stuff - things happen. But then they fix them and they are VERY transparent on what they are doing. Which is rare for other companies.

I'm sure it's not the dev's caring anymore. You forget a few things. Pandemic was a factor throughout the work force. CBU3 is working on both FFXVI and FFXIV. They have a strict patch/update schedule. So combine the spread out work force (possibly) with the absurd japanese work culture. And yea.

But I personally don't think FFXIV is going on such a drastic down spiral like you assume.

Please, do not side with a multi billion dollar a year company telling you they do not have the resources to put digital hats on characters. Please. It takes them minutes to make enough for the extra salaries that would require.

[Theodric]

Please, do not side with a multi billion dollar a year company telling you they do not have the resources to put digital hats on characters. Please. It takes them minutes to make enough for the extra salaries that would require.

Honestly, even if we take the problem at face value and accept that it's an issue they can't easily address...

If they wanted to add a bestial race as a playable option then they could have taken five minutes to look at how WoW and ESO handle their equivalent bestial races. In both games, gear is altered around specific features. In ESO, unique hairstyles and helmets are provided to compensate for anything the bestial races miss out on where the more human looking playable races are concerned.

[Akimori]

2.) Hrothgar and Viera problems. It was known since the beginning that these were "Limited" races. And before these races were even revealed to us Yoshida said he wasn't going to make new races due to manpower/resources. But surprise. Anyways, they were limited for reasons. Player base knew they were limited but still chose to cry about it after they changed.

Imagine telling players of said races that they would receive updates, not give it to them without telling them you changed your mind, and then trying to place the blame on the players

Are people really this much of a clown?

What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....

A friend of mine echoed your sentiment. He used a pretty bad analogy

"Me: Imagine if yoshi asked you to borrow $200, said he'd give it back ASAP and 10 years later, he didn't give it back

Him: He may have taken the $200, but he gave you a mansion

Me: The walls are falling in, the electricity and plumbing are faulty, and there are holes all in the roof and the walls. Doesnt matter if he gave me a mansion, its still in a deplorable condition that makes it almost unlivable...."

We no longer talk about XIV together anymore (we still talk. Just no longer about XIV because he knows how passionate I am about this subject...)(

[SherlottaEryut]

Imagine telling players of said races that they would receive updates, not give it to them without telling them you changed your mind, and then trying to place the blame on the players

Are people really this much of a clown?

What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....

A friend of mine echoed your sentiment. He used a pretty bad analogy

"Me: Imagine if yoshi asked you to borrow $200, said he'd give it back ASAP and 10 years later, he didn't give it back

Him: He may have taken the $200, but he gave you a mansion

Me: The walls are falling in, the electricity and plumbing are faulty, and there are wholes all in the roof and the walls. Doesnt matter if he gave me a mansion, its still in a deplorable condition that makes it almost unlivable...."

We no longer talk about XIV together anymore (we still talk. Just no longer about XIV because he knows how passionate I am about this subject...)(

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Much yes.

[Liam_Harper]

What is with this rampant blind support of obvious problems being like "WeLl ThE pLaYeRs KnEw". The issue here is not so much the hair (at least not to me). Its the empty promises of being told "Please keep waiting" only to be thrown garbage....

I don't even get why "but players knew" is an argument against feedback in the first place.

Lets say you have a favorite restaurant. You like it, but the menu is a bit boring and hasn't changed at all in years so customers request some variety. The restaurant adds a few new dishes, but tells you that cooking food is hard, so they're going to cut a few ingredients, half cook it and leave the occasional bit of turd in it. But they might cook it properly later!

Customers respond with the feedback that "hey, half done meals with surprise turds aren't very appealing, we aren't happy" and next thing a small group of random people appear out of nowhere, shove them back and yell at them them to shut up, eat it and that they should be happy to pay money for it because the restaurant told them the food would be crap from the start.

Makes no sense? Exactly.

[Midareyukki]

I don't even get why "but players knew" is an argument against feedback in the first place.

Lets say you have a favorite restaurant. You like it, but the menu is a bit boring and hasn't changed at all in years so customers request some variety. The restaurant adds a few new dishes, but tells you that cooking food is hard, so they're going to cut a few ingredients, half cook it and leave the occasional bit of turd in it. But they might cook it properly later!

Customers respond with the feedback that "hey, half done meals with surprise turds aren't very appealing, we aren't happy" and next thing a small group of random people appear out of nowhere, shove them back and yell at them them to shut up, eat it and that they should be happy to pay money for it because the restaurant told them the food would be crap from the start.

Makes no sense? Exactly.

We knew only part of it. We didn't know it would be as hard a "No" as it ended up becoming. We didn't know that the devs would begrudgingly work on this. What we did know was that at the time of release we wouldn't have as much stuff, but they'd be added as the game evolved. Especially with player feedback. That's always been their initial promise. And they haven't done anything to change that tune.

So saying "You guys knew you'd have a bad quality product" is not only erroneous, but grossly insulting. No one at the time knew. Not a single one. And even if we knew, SO WHAT.

Viera as a whole got implemented because people asked. Same for male viera, they're only in the game to begin with because people asked. Blue Mage, for all its troubles, got added because people asked. So much crap in this game only exists because people asked.

We didn't know that the races they'd implement would forever have terrible quality. And saying we should know any better is the most White Knight thing one could do, it makes Paladins look dark. Because from the information we had at the time, no one thought it'd get to this state.