What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[VentVanitas]

3. i'm just amazed they've made all classes viable, if they tried to make all the classes too different some would surely be left by the wayside in terms of job balance, I think this is the best way.

I'm frankly tired of seeing this shit excuse and this community's obsession with ""balance."" Having gameplay variety between jobs won't disturb the oh so holy equilibrium of the game.

People really like to pretend that the world itself would end if a job underperforms. Just ignore that there are already jobs that are underperforming regardless of homogenization.

[Sqwall]

The problem is...THERE IS NOTHING TO HEAL. Dungeons are consistently cleared without healers because tank mitigation and healing is busted, extremes have been cleared without healers and even the 2 first floors of savage have seen no healer runs, ucob has been cleared without healers and there are 1 heal clears of all the ultimates, when there heal requirements are that low the whole "healers should heal" point doesn't work anymore (and has never to anyone half decent at it tbh).

Besides on a side note if you've only cleared this tier and looking at parses not even fully cleared I don't think you're in a position to judge if the tier is good or not as you haven't experienced all the content and don't have anything to compare it against.

Had to trim your post.

Interesting argument. Shall I pull multiple threads that I have started about how tanks need to take MORE damage, and healers need to SWEAT more instead of crying about their DPS "rotation" is boring. I am completely in the camp of restore the holy trinity style gameplay. I mentioned this ALLL the way back when shadowbringers launched. When you start to see tank only runs, 1 healer runs, and no healer dungeon runs I was thinking...huh...this COMPLETELY invalidates healers by a HUGE degree, this can be fixed by making a party just take....I don't know...more damage they can't fix without 1-2 healers?

Nope....now here we are....the game is primarily hyper focused on DPS first...and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. Kill the boss before enrage...that's all that matters. Why bring a healer when you can bring a SAM or a MNK. Just kill it before you need heals...that's the key right?

Wrong....if I had it my way.... I would make healers cry....make them scream to the heavens about DPS standing in the fire. Then watch as they refuse to heal people standing in fire.... nature over nurture. Nature always wins. DPS is pointless on a healer anyway...sure it all adds up...but to me...it's superficial...a placebo effect. Add more moments that REQURE healers to heal and healers would NEVER push those dps buttons.

Those battle hardened healers that don't crumble under a constant barrage of damage...those are the ones I want in a party...those are the healers I want when the chips are down. Enrage be damned if a good healer can be that clutch moment we need.

Not even going to dignify response about what I can or can't be commenting on with not having this current tier cleared. I don't hold peoples FFLOGS against them when trying to prove a point, which that I struck a nerve for some if you have to run to FFLOGS to prove a point that you don't like hearing. I'm not recruiting anyone on my side to defend my points, look at my FFLOGS....I don't care....I'm still proud of what my static has accomplished. Parse be damned....I literally don't care.

[Manofpassion]

Had to trim your post.

Interesting argument. Shall I pull multiple threads that I have started about how tanks need to take MORE damage, and healers need to SWEAT more instead of crying about their DPS "rotation" is boring. I am completely in the camp of restore the holy trinity style gameplay. I mentioned this ALLL the way back when shadowbringers launched. When you start to see tank only runs, 1 healer runs, and no healer dungeon runs I was thinking...huh...this COMPLETELY invalidates healers by a HUGE degree, this can be fixed by making a party just take....I don't know...more damage they can't fix without 1-2 healers?

Nope....now here we are....the game is primarily hyper focused on DPS first...and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. Kill the boss before enrage...that's all that matters. Why bring a healer when you can bring a SAM or a MNK. Just kill it before you need heals...that's the key right?

Wrong....if I had it my way.... I would make healers cry....make them scream to the heavens about DPS standing in the fire. Then watch as they refuse to heal people standing in fire.... nature over nurture. Nature always wins. DPS is pointless on a healer anyway...sure it all adds up...but to me...it's superficial...a placebo effect. Add more moments that REQURE healers to heal and healers would NEVER push those dps buttons.

Those battle hardened healers that don't crumble under a constant barrage of damage...those are the ones I want in a party...those are the healers I want when the chips are down. Enrage be damned if a good healer can be that clutch moment we need.

Not even going to dignify response about what I can or can't be commenting on with not having this current tier cleared. I don't hold peoples FFLOGS against them when trying to prove a point, which that I struck a nerve for some if you have to run to FFLOGS to prove a point that you don't like hearing. I'm not recruiting anyone on my side to defend my points, look at my FFLOGS....I don't care....I'm still proud of what my static has accomplished. Parse be damned....I literally don't care.

No offense, but I think you're a bit off your rocker mate. I really don't see how nature over nurture has anything to do with healer design. It seems like you're just getting off to how you want healers to cry and scream kek

Think you just need a subby healslut instead of whatever this is

[Rulakir]

Here's my conspiracy theory:

We got the B team running FFXIV right now and the A team is developing FF16

I would be so hyped for 7.0+ if Maehiro were involved.

[Sqwall]

No offense, but I think you're a bit off your rocker mate. I really don't see how nature over nurture has anything to do with healer design. It seems like you're just getting off to how you want healers to cry and scream kek

Think you just need a subby healslut instead of whatever this is

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...good-for-tanks

Took me awhile to find.

[Sqwall]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...y-too-OP/page5

More reading material

[Sqwall]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

[Nethereal]

I can't get behind the healer discussion anymore. I have to just watch from the sidelines as I personally want my healers to....heal rather then spam DPS. So by that logic I wouldn't want them being frustrated by saying "UGH...my dps rotation is broken because I have to heal your stupid face!".... "SHAME on you dumb tank for getting hit by that tank buster!"...."UGH healing is broken because I can't DPS like....a DPS....i'm forced to heal...why did I pick up a healer?"

Again I just have to stand by and shrug while healers argue about getting the two lowest parses in a raid..... right......

If your dps rotation is broken because you had to heal then it's broken, you're a healer first a dps second. People have never died because a healer had a dps skill it has always been the healer.

This is a non issue. Not to mention if they ever did implement combos for healers they would never let GCD heals break their dps combos.

Because Yoshi has made it very clear on his vision of this game being all inclusive we will never get relevant content where we actually have to heal.
The most time you'll spending healing will be in dungeons. Adding a dps combo to healers would not take away from any of the healing you're already doing currently it would just make the class engaging.

Currently healers have a 1-2 (sometimes 3) dps skills to use repeatedly, it's not engaging, it's not fun, it's unacceptable on any other class but healer but is excused because of people like you who think like this.


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The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

My guy it's 1-2, sometimes 3 buttons. What are you on? How is pressing the exact same 3 buttons for 8-30 minutes to do all your damage not boring.

If people are struggling to hit 3 buttons in a vacuum they need to look inward instead of dragging everyone else down around them.

The healer design concept is unacceptable and is only excused because the dev team is incompetent and they view healers as a resource, not a class/job.

Imagine making a dps class where your only source of damage is 2 GCDs and your only oGCD augments the damage of your 2 GCDs because that's basically what healers are today.

[Teno]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

Yes a big problem for healers is that the "rotation" is boring. The fights are so very scripted, that even with more stringent healing checks there would be at best slightly more optimization on oGCDs and at best a few GCDs. That wouldn't solve the underlying issue of finding every window you possibly can to spam that one dps spell.

[WaxSw]

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The problem with high damage is:
-The game is heavily scripted, which means there will always be damage predictable and as such healers will be able to optimize its heals and get downtime
-The healing kit is not deep either, most of it is "heal with X potency" with barely any interactions
-The game would have to be redesigned entirely to allow that high damage
-Would make healing harder to get into as this would have to be carried all the way from high end to story mode, increasing the skill floor

Healers not dpsing/providing offensive support is simply something that does not work either, even the field of medicine is centered about treating the symptoms and eliminating the cause of those symptoms, the former alone is not sufficient because that is not efficient. On top of that healing is binary, contrary to dps there is a point where more healing simply isn't providing value and that's why good healers, no matter where, deal damage/provide value to their team and why those actions are so important.

Im not trying to prove a point with the logs thing, I just checked out of curiosity when you mentioned savage and I'm not shaming you on anything. I'm just saying that it would be best if you experience the whole tier before judging it and if you're gonna say you don't understand the complaints of the OP maybe it would be wise to experience what older tiers gave too to have something to compare them with, one can't see a decline in quality with only one reference.