What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Skyborne]

The praise for Endwalker's story is pretty universal for the most part, outside of a small handful of forum posters overstating their personal dislike of the story and pretending it represents some kind of silent majority.

Sounds like an extreme understatement even if it's a minority... this is the attitude that has led to people feeling alienated (as was I for the longest time, still am somewhat) and making posts like this. The honeymoon period has worn off for some, with even reddit of all places having some critical voices pop up, but I think "you're just stupid" "you didn't understand it" "you're just mad your headcanon didn't come true hahahaha!" is going to be pulled out for the rest of the game's lifespan.

Anyway, shilling this thread (your worst nemesis, I know) because EW disappointment is what made me sign up here... just like how many have signed up solely because of other controversies who really wanted to give voice, in case anyone's lurking and missed it.

[Darthgummibear]

The praise for Endwalker's story is pretty universal for the most part, outside of a small handful of forum posters overstating their personal dislike of the story and pretending it represents some kind of silent majority.

Mostly I see people giving high praise for Endwalker's story, with the caveat that it doesn't quite match up to Heavansward or Shadowbringers, but it's nowhere near the universal consensus of being "less good" like Stormblood's story is.

I really enjoyed the EW story, but even as someone who thoroughly enjoyed the experience I recognize the obvious problems. The pacing is all over the place, and it feels like they tried to cram two full expansions of story into one. You have a lot of things happening with a lot of people, so you technically got a lot of story, but almost none of the individual arcs got really fleshed out like in the past. They went with quantity over quality for the MSQ. Current endgame doesn't have either. It doesn't have quantity or quality. The game is sorely lacking in 90 content, and a lot of what we have is either broken or extremely buggy. It's a really disturbing trend I hope they are able to recover from because at the end of the day I still like this game.

[kpxmanifesto]

Right?

Gotta stretch out the thin content over the next 4 months.

Of course. Gotta find a way to keep customers subscribed to the game for the longest time possible.

[LyraleiManagem]

Hahaha ultimate raiders send their regards.
Remember how people on this forum defended the dev team when the DSW get “delayed” and didnt even bother to hide their excitement to see the hardcore get fucked?
Turns out that hardcore or casual, we all get our chance to be the “minority”. Hope the white knights enjoy it!

[Denji]

Hahaha ultimate raiders send their regards.
Remember how people on this forum defended the dev team when the DSW get “delayed” and didnt even bother to hide their excitement to see the hardcore get fucked?
Turns out that hardcore or casual, we all get our chance to be the “minority”. Hope the white knights enjoy it!

Most white knights are just as frustrated as we are but are in the bargaining stages of grief.

[Rulakir]

The praise for Endwalker's story is pretty universal for the most part, outside of a small handful of forum posters overstating their personal dislike of the story and pretending it represents some kind of silent majority.

I won't claim people who dislike it are the "silent majority", but they certainly far exceed any wishful thinking that it's "a small handful of forum posters". Even on r/ffxiv, which is notorious for glowing praise of the game and downvoting dissent, there have been an increasing amount of people posting their criticisms of EW.

[Thalesnm]

I was reading this thread and honestly I think people here are crazy.

One of the first replies said that YoshiP should be fired because he says it's cool if you play other games.

Criticism is fine, and necessary, but let's be rational here.

[Kaurhz]

I was reading this thread and honestly I think people here are crazy.

One of the first replies said that YoshiP should be fired because he says it's cool if you play other games.

Criticism is fine, and necessary, but let's be rational here.

Many people are just clung to the idea that MMOs should ultimately consume a significant amount of time, and be a 'one size fits all' type scenario with many people being allergic to the prospect of other games fitting their memo better. This is not to say the game is without fault and nor should critique be made, but I think when the critique is a contradiction or a deviation of their game design philosophy, then it just stands to say there are ultimately other places that might be better accommodating of needs.

I can see his mindset being a double-edged sword, especially from a business standpoint, but if I were to look in certain areas, I think it becomes woefully obvious why the mindset of playing something else is not a bad one.

[SturmChurro]

I wonder if he'll change his tune if people actually started playing other games and didn't come back.

[Thalesnm]

Many people are just clung to the idea that MMOs should ultimately consume a significant amount of time, and be a 'one size fits all' type scenario with many people being allergic to the prospect of other games fitting their memo better. This is not to say the game is without fault and nor should critique be made, but I think when the critique is a contradiction or a deviation of their game design philosophy, then it just stands to say there are ultimately other places that might be better accommodating of needs.

I can see his mindset being a double-edged sword, especially from a business standpoint, but if I were to look in certain areas, I think it becomes woefully obvious why the mindset of playing something else is not a bad one.

Pretty much, yeah. I'll just add the the design philosophy is not the main issue here. Of course people there are pros and cons to the design philosophy of FFXIV, as with any other game. The main issue is saying that someone should be fired just because they have a different view about a subject, when said view is harmless.

That's not arguing. That's just hate.