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  1. #301
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    Jester_'s Avatar
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    Lorana Sugarpuff
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    I think the only fair solution now should actually be technically easy:

    1- Search the database for lots that had 1 or more real entrants, but were won by empty entrant #0
    2- Re-roll and assign the winner from the saved closing-time list of entrants for each of those lots only, but correctly exclude entrant #0 this time (and from now on)

    Simple. Unless records aren't being kept correctly, in which case the devs should go through and do this by hand in response to reports. But that shouldn't be necessary.

    Plots that had a proper winner are fine. The human entrants competed with entrant #0, but evenly, so those were fair and don't need to be changed.

    Only fixing the lotto system, giving a gil refund to those who lost to entrant #0, and saying "better luck next time" would not be good enough. It's not fair to make those who should have won compete in the next lotto cycle with other people. So I think this solution is the best. Quick, easy, and fair. I hope the devs take this path.

    Edit: rightful winners who already claimed the refund is a complication, but one I think they owe it to us to sort out.
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    Last edited by Jester_; 04-17-2022 at 12:22 PM.

  2. #302
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    Lennit Potato
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    went to the placard and got a refund . lost to 0 . i was the only one that placed a bid on the placard for my FC house. i hope a GM take's this gil back and give me my house I have waited for all week.
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  3. #303
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    I do work in software development and that's why I'm saying we don't know what they did if we don't see their code. I get plenty of users at work who have some manner of coding experience and try to wax poetic on "Well all you have to do is blah" and when I say "no" it's "well why not" and the answer is "because it doesn't work that way".

    If all the code was always written exactly the same way everywhere, we could just have computers write it for us and we'd be out of jobs. You need a human programmer because there's variation in code, in how databases are set up, in how everything communicates, etc.
    It is a pseudo random number generator.. a fricken computer probably could easily write one. We are not talking about restructuring entire databases here or deving the texture stitching functions of entire rendering engine.

    I do not need see the code for parsing text in some SQL backend because it is so fricken similarly written to understand where it broke.

    Much like I did not need to see the code of their audio engine to understand that having over 128 audio channels capable of spatial audio is big dumb.

    If this were something else I may agree with you, believe me. Have gotten many many questions that come from place of ignorance. No I cannot just move the item tables to other database no matter how frequently you ask; Actual answer I had given for WoW emulator in response to item lookup generating too many IO requests.

    Being though that we are quite literally dealing with one of most simple pieces of code one can write I can make reasonable assumptions about how it works and how it could be fixed without actually seeing it. Ignoring zero is incredibly common. Dice do not have zero side so when rolling fake dice zero must be ignored. Many many instances of rng function spitting out zero but needing to ignore it. Many times I have seen someone forget this then get exceptions because of it. Most of them were ten years old in middle school Java.
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  4. #304
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    Tai Natuia
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennit View Post
    went to the placard and got a refund . lost to 0 . i was the only one that placed a bid on the placard for my FC house. i hope a GM take's this gil back and give me my house I have waited for all week.
    Aye I hope they do this as well for a friend on Hyperion. They clicked through the prompts to fast and didn't realize they were refunding. They are hoping the game just takes the gil and gives them the house. Apparently I didn't see this message in game and overlooked it in my blind rage.

    We have received several reports that the following message appears when checking the placard after the result announcement period for the housing lottery sales, indicating that there are no winners.

    - Although there were applicants, it appears with "There were no participants in this lottery."
    - "The winning number is...0. May you have better luck next time." is displayed as if there are no winners

    We are investigating and responding to this issue as soon as possible while checking the entries in our database.

    We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
    I don't need to work heavily in a field to know that they were counting 0 as a player instead of omitting 0 as an entry within the lottery. hopefully they could edit their database to fix this and award a winner instead of the ghost that is 0. I can only postulate, but being 0 won a heck of a lot, feels a bit like a weighted dice to me.
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  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faafetai View Post
    Aye I hope they do this as well for a friend on Hyperion. They clicked through the prompts to fast and didn't realize they were refunding. They are hoping the game just takes the gil and gives them the house. Apparently I didn't see this message in game and overlooked it in my blind rage.



    I don't need to work heavily in a field to know that they were counting 0 as a player instead of omitting 0 as an entry within the lottery. hopefully they could edit their database to fix this and award a winner instead of the ghost that is 0. I can only postulate, but being 0 won a heck of a lot, feels a bit like a weighted dice to me.
    Hmm, most interesting. Zero appears to have been used as catch possibly so that plots with no bidders resolved properly before next lotto reset.

    Hopes gil can be refunded and plot given to rightful owner. Square is notorious for struggling to refund players without performing character reset..
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  6. #306
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    Amazing
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  7. #307
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    Lorana Sugarpuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaShino View Post
    Hmm, most interesting. Zero appears to have been used as catch possibly so that plots with no bidders resolved properly before next lotto reset.

    Hopes gil can be refunded and plot given to rightful owner. Square is notorious for struggling to refund players without performing character reset..
    They shouldn't have to refund anyone. But might have to collect the bid price from any rightful winners who already clicked the loss refund.
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  8. #308
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    yay!



    I lost
    I would have shot myself
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  9. #309
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    Don't stop posting on this thread. Don't give them ANY hope that the community has calmed down to any degree for those that SHOULD have won a plot that came up 0 bids when there were clear participants. Or for the people who's money hasn't been given back. Literally keep this going. It's time we start changing the "Well they tried" attitude back to "Wow, this is great">

    Also. As an added opinion. Ever since Yoshi started producing XVI, quality control has gone down hill. ANybody else notice this
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  10. #310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokke View Post
    You are mistaken. Its 1 personal + 1 fc house (with you as leader) per server. So someone can win a personal (or fc house) on every server on your DC if they had gil and luck. You can only enter either or per server, but there is no restriction on how many servers you can enter on.
    Uh, Indeed, just checked the dedicated page, and it says per worldper service account , not per service account only : https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/

    My bad then.
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