Auto-attack

[Grit]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

+1 for Grit.

[Alcide]

I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

We did, the fact that we have 1000000 threads about auto attack isn't helping though.
If I can find the posts I'll quote them here, but the last time I wrote my strategies showing how you don't have to spam at all and that an auto-attack feature would ruin them the only answer I got was "I don't care about your achievemnts or the way you want to play" so I don't think it's gonna help.

By the way I guess EVERY archer can say that an auto attack feature would totally ruin their gameplay; as an archer you spend most of the time buffing yourself with abilities that last for only one hit, then you do a normal attack and your TP bar is already full, so for them auto attack is not just useless, but would totally ruin their strategies and make their gameplay a lot worse. And this is just an example about one class.

[ChiefCurrahee]

By the way I guess EVERY archer can say that an auto attack feature would totally ruin their gameplay; as an archer you spend most of the time buffing yourself with abilities that last for only one hit, then you do a normal attack and your TP bar is already full, so for them auto attack is not just useless, but would totally ruin their strategies and make their gameplay a lot worse. And this is just an example about one class.

Have you tried to use some forethought about how a AA toggle on/off would solve this problem for an archer, or even used a little critical thinking about how skills can be changed so the buffs only effect "next skill used" instead of "next attack" ?

[Alcide]

Have you tried to use some forethought about how a AA toggle on/off would solve this problem for an archer, or even used a little critical thinking about how skills can be changed so the buffs only effect "next skill used" instead of "next attack" ?

Have you ever tried to play as archer and thought about how great their gameplay already is?
I really think it's awsome as it is, just because it's pretty slow, you're staying far from the enemy, spending most of your time buffing yourself to gain a lot of TP with a single action and then you do a massive damage with a single shot; this whole concept can't be applied with an auto attack feature.

Also, multishot/trifurcate + raging strike + hawks eye + any WS = definitely OP


BTW as I already said in almost every auto-attack thread (gosh can we stop opening a new one every two days and just keep writing everything on the same thread?) a toggle on/off feature would be ok since you can actually feel the lack of an auto attack feature for the first 20 ranks when you don't have a full arsenal of skills, but i really doubt that someone would still be using it after that time.

[TheOneAndOnlyStogie]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

THANK YOU!!
Cookie+3 for you.

[gifthorse]

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

But what is the point of auto-attack anyway? To generate TP and do deal more damage?

If that's the case, they will just scale up Mob's HP.

Guild Wars 2 has no auto-attack, TERA has no auto-attack, and I'm sure nobody says those game's battle systems are a step backwards for MMOs. FFXI is a step backwards in my mind, as is WoW.

[Alcide]

But what is the point of auto-attack anyway? To generate TP and do deal more damage?

that's exactly what I would like to know o.O
Right now you can gain full TP with 3 hits (don't tell you want the auto-attack for those 3 hits coz it's really lame) and weapon skills do more damage, so, I really can't see why people are asking so badly for auto-attack...