Auto-attack

[Arcell]

I still agreed with you didn't I? lol. I could have employed the "selective reading" tactic but you did bring up a good point.

I mean honestly I'm fine with it either way, I just think that auto-attack wouldn't ruin things. If they don't put it in, I'll still keep playing the way I do now. I just see it being a little more convenient, especially for gamepad users.

[Arcell]

No one's suggesting that SE should put in voice chat, you're right that would be horrible. However there are many options available to people on PCs for voice chat. Ventrillo, Teamspeak and Mumble are among the most popular for gaming. They are private servers where you can speak only to your group of friends. They even support separate channels so that no one room gets too big. It's extremely common these days for Linkshells to require people use one such system.

[Betelgeuzah]

When did talking in a multiplayer game become ridiculous?

Chatting you mean? Ever since MSN and Ventrilo. This 3D chatroom thinking is so 2002.

Voice chat isn't an option.

Unacceptable to everyone except the incredibly small minority that can not let go.

It will never be an option.

As long as old farts get to decide, indeed.

Have you ever played a game on Xboxlive or PSN you have a game filled with 2-32 people , of those maybe 12 have a mic, 4 of them are cussing up a storm, 2 are tossing around racial slurs, 1 has an always open mic. and the others don't talk.

Those who want to talk can talk. Those who don't want to, won't. What has changed? Nothing, except you can actually multitask by playing the game and talking at the same time. This is the future!

How do you propose PS3 user chat with PC users? Should SE develop a VC on their already laggy servers?

Oh, I don't think it is much asked to make SE catch up with the rest of the world with their games if they haven't already. That's kinda necessary if they want to have an edge in the market. If they can't do it, they don't deserve to succeed. That's just how it is. If they think they can't do it, even more so.

I didn't quote your whole post because I did not care to comment on the parts I left out.

[Arcell]

Thinking about it, for the sake of the PS3 users, I think a party voice chat option would be fine for SE to implement. Simply allowing you to communicate via voice only with those that are in your party solves most all problems. Yeah behest voice chat would suck but it's part of how things are. A mute player option also isn't too far fetched, especially for consoles. Honestly these days it's more common for a console user to have a mic than a keyboard attached.

[ChiefCurrahee]

I use Vent with my FFXIV LS and FFXI LS. I'm a fan. But I never (or rarely) get into a FFXI PT or a FFXIV behest/guildleve PT and have the group say "Hey log into our vent, lets talk"

Now in FFXI you had to sit through 5-10 auto attacks to use 1 TP move which gave you a lot of time to talk.

In FFXIV as we're all aware have to press a button for every action and thats further compounded when using a gamepad. This will NOT fly for PS3 users in it's current state. Communicating becomes a choice of losing DPS/TP or playing in a world of mutes. Adding in auto attack will allow for players a chance to communicate. It's a big deal that people who don't want AA are downplaying.
having AA in FFXIV won't equal the AA in FFXI simply for the fact that, you will not be waiting 5-10 AA's to use a single TP skill. you will have 1 round of AA and most classes will be able to use a TP ability. FFXIV has a much more robust skill system than FFXI.

Having a AA in FFXIV will do more good than harm for everyone.

[Grit]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

+1 for Grit.

[Alcide]

I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

We did, the fact that we have 1000000 threads about auto attack isn't helping though.
If I can find the posts I'll quote them here, but the last time I wrote my strategies showing how you don't have to spam at all and that an auto-attack feature would ruin them the only answer I got was "I don't care about your achievemnts or the way you want to play" so I don't think it's gonna help.

By the way I guess EVERY archer can say that an auto attack feature would totally ruin their gameplay; as an archer you spend most of the time buffing yourself with abilities that last for only one hit, then you do a normal attack and your TP bar is already full, so for them auto attack is not just useless, but would totally ruin their strategies and make their gameplay a lot worse. And this is just an example about one class.

[ChiefCurrahee]

By the way I guess EVERY archer can say that an auto attack feature would totally ruin their gameplay; as an archer you spend most of the time buffing yourself with abilities that last for only one hit, then you do a normal attack and your TP bar is already full, so for them auto attack is not just useless, but would totally ruin their strategies and make their gameplay a lot worse. And this is just an example about one class.

Have you tried to use some forethought about how a AA toggle on/off would solve this problem for an archer, or even used a little critical thinking about how skills can be changed so the buffs only effect "next skill used" instead of "next attack" ?

[Alcide]

Have you tried to use some forethought about how a AA toggle on/off would solve this problem for an archer, or even used a little critical thinking about how skills can be changed so the buffs only effect "next skill used" instead of "next attack" ?

Have you ever tried to play as archer and thought about how great their gameplay already is?
I really think it's awsome as it is, just because it's pretty slow, you're staying far from the enemy, spending most of your time buffing yourself to gain a lot of TP with a single action and then you do a massive damage with a single shot; this whole concept can't be applied with an auto attack feature.

Also, multishot/trifurcate + raging strike + hawks eye + any WS = definitely OP


BTW as I already said in almost every auto-attack thread (gosh can we stop opening a new one every two days and just keep writing everything on the same thread?) a toggle on/off feature would be ok since you can actually feel the lack of an auto attack feature for the first 20 ranks when you don't have a full arsenal of skills, but i really doubt that someone would still be using it after that time.