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[Betelgeuzah]

As much as I hate to agree with Betelgeuzah

Are we going to let some petty rivalries get in the way of objectively looking at the systems, upcoming and ones in-place? I hope not!

[Arcell]

I still agreed with you didn't I? lol. I could have employed the "selective reading" tactic but you did bring up a good point.

I mean honestly I'm fine with it either way, I just think that auto-attack wouldn't ruin things. If they don't put it in, I'll still keep playing the way I do now. I just see it being a little more convenient, especially for gamepad users.

[ChiefCurrahee]

"Everything except actually playing the game", in other words.

This, gentlemen, is exactly why this idea is ridiculous.


It's called "voice chat" and it was mentioned in the OP. Nobody buys this excuse when better alternatives to promote communication already exist. Sorry.

Also, if communication by chat is the goal, there are still multiple much better ways to handle it that do not affect the game negatively.

edit: rest of the responce Betelgeuzah left out:

Anyone of of those above listed activities could constitute lost DPS while in battle because you're doing something else than pressing a button to keep your DPS up.
That becomes tedious, quickly.
We are playing a MMO and because of the need to press a button for every action taken we lose out on a huge portion of a MMO: Communication.by not being able to take a moment w/o losing TP or DPS or both.

When did talking in a multiplayer game become ridiculous? You're Ridiculous. This is a game, meant to be enjoyed. It's not fun having to press a button for every action!

Voice chat isn't an option. It will never be an option. And should only be an option amongst friends and LS . Have you ever played a game on Xboxlive or PSN you have a game filled with 2-32 people , of those maybe 12 have a mic, 4 of them are cussing up a storm, 2 are tossing around racial slurs, 1 has an always open mic. and the others don't talk. How do you think pick up groups will be? And
how do you propose PS3 user chat with PC users? Should SE develop a VC on their already laggy servers?


P.S. why not quote my whole post did you find some truth in it? I'll fill others in on it.

[Arcell]

No one's suggesting that SE should put in voice chat, you're right that would be horrible. However there are many options available to people on PCs for voice chat. Ventrillo, Teamspeak and Mumble are among the most popular for gaming. They are private servers where you can speak only to your group of friends. They even support separate channels so that no one room gets too big. It's extremely common these days for Linkshells to require people use one such system.

[Betelgeuzah]

When did talking in a multiplayer game become ridiculous?

Chatting you mean? Ever since MSN and Ventrilo. This 3D chatroom thinking is so 2002.

Voice chat isn't an option.

Unacceptable to everyone except the incredibly small minority that can not let go.

It will never be an option.

As long as old farts get to decide, indeed.

Have you ever played a game on Xboxlive or PSN you have a game filled with 2-32 people , of those maybe 12 have a mic, 4 of them are cussing up a storm, 2 are tossing around racial slurs, 1 has an always open mic. and the others don't talk.

Those who want to talk can talk. Those who don't want to, won't. What has changed? Nothing, except you can actually multitask by playing the game and talking at the same time. This is the future!

How do you propose PS3 user chat with PC users? Should SE develop a VC on their already laggy servers?

Oh, I don't think it is much asked to make SE catch up with the rest of the world with their games if they haven't already. That's kinda necessary if they want to have an edge in the market. If they can't do it, they don't deserve to succeed. That's just how it is. If they think they can't do it, even more so.

I didn't quote your whole post because I did not care to comment on the parts I left out.

[Arcell]

Thinking about it, for the sake of the PS3 users, I think a party voice chat option would be fine for SE to implement. Simply allowing you to communicate via voice only with those that are in your party solves most all problems. Yeah behest voice chat would suck but it's part of how things are. A mute player option also isn't too far fetched, especially for consoles. Honestly these days it's more common for a console user to have a mic than a keyboard attached.

[ChiefCurrahee]

I use Vent with my FFXIV LS and FFXI LS. I'm a fan. But I never (or rarely) get into a FFXI PT or a FFXIV behest/guildleve PT and have the group say "Hey log into our vent, lets talk"

Now in FFXI you had to sit through 5-10 auto attacks to use 1 TP move which gave you a lot of time to talk.

In FFXIV as we're all aware have to press a button for every action and thats further compounded when using a gamepad. This will NOT fly for PS3 users in it's current state. Communicating becomes a choice of losing DPS/TP or playing in a world of mutes. Adding in auto attack will allow for players a chance to communicate. It's a big deal that people who don't want AA are downplaying.
having AA in FFXIV won't equal the AA in FFXI simply for the fact that, you will not be waiting 5-10 AA's to use a single TP skill. you will have 1 round of AA and most classes will be able to use a TP ability. FFXIV has a much more robust skill system than FFXI.

Having a AA in FFXIV will do more good than harm for everyone.

[Grit]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Voice chat will not be a viable alternative to text chat in the average party..

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

-Pick-up groups

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control. Furthermore, as far as I know there is no voice chat system for the PS3 that can interface with the PC yet.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly. Especially when it comes to FFXIV's unique community.

In any case, that isn't a very important issue when it comes to the idea of auto-attack. I see a lot of people claiming that auto-attack will take something away from the game.. but they don't say what that something is. There is next to zero strategy in continually activating a basic attack, so wouldn't it be better if that time was spent doing something else? Whether it be communicating with your party members or using your other abilities, it doesn't really matter.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently. And there wouldn't really be any down time - especially at higher level when you have two hotbars full of skills. While my TP is generating, I would be using all sorts of things that don't require TP.

The implementation of any sort of auto-attack obviously isn't something that should be taken lightly, as it will likely require many other alterations to the current battle system. But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

+1 for Grit.

[Betelgeuzah]

-Language Barriers (yay for auto-translate)

You can already use auto translate with the current system because it is so efficient. he<tab>enter. nic<tab>enter. I<tab>enter.

-Pick-up groups..

..have their own channel.

-PS3 players ~ SE will NOT develop an in-game voice chat system, and they already made that point clear, for reasons of development cost as well as harassment control.

They already made it clear that jumping is not coming. Then Tanaka got kicked out of the house. Whatever they said pre-xmas 2010 is irrelevant.

Using ventrilo with your guild is one thing. But making assertions that everyone should be using voice chat all of the time is silly.

Only if you want to talk so much. What is silly though, is that because a minority of players does not, for some reason or the other, want to use a voice chat the gameplay should be automated and resources should be used just for the sake of these pretty little unique snowflakes.

I see a lot of people claiming that you can do "something else" instead of actually playing the game, and they're all excuses- because a game should never encourage you to "not play the game". N e v e r. It doesn't really matter what it is that you're doing instead of playing. What matters is that you're not playing the game and the game encourages you to do so.

I'd like to point out that if I didn't have to manually perform my basic attacks, I would be able to use my other abilities much more efficiently.

And I'd like to point out that you're pretty horrible at playing vidya games, and I don't want the game to be automated because you can't keep up. As if XIII wasn't already enough.

But facing facts.. the majority of players believe that FFXIV's battle system is a step backwards from the FFXI battle system. It needs to be changed.

Yes, facing facts... many of XIV's features were changed from XI just for the sake of change, and they failed. Now they are doing it again. And people are encouraging them to do so. Once again. When do you people learn? Worse than not changing something that is broken is changing something mindlessly just because it is broken. That does no good and those resources can be used elsewhere.