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    Struggling with Endwalker endgame

    Am I the only one who's struggling to stay focused on the raid mechanics? I have autism and possibly ADHD (the latter hasn't been diagnosed but suggested by my GP) and I'm finding trying to remember what happened several seconds before it goes off is really taxing. Endsinger is a perfect exampe of this where I need to remember what order things happened in and how I dealt with them earlier. It's not challenging at this point, it feels like it's punishing people for having the incapacity to memorize everything every single battle.
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    Gaius van Baelsar: Nor is this unknown to your masters. Which prompts the question: what came first, the chicken or the egg?

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    Its not punishing you or anyone else with disabilities. Not to step on toes but this is not the best game for anyone with memory issues. But also dont give up on the game especially if you enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Its not punishing you or anyone else with disabilities. Not to step on toes but this is not the best game for anyone with memory issues. But also dont give up on the game especially if you enjoy it.
    Yeah, I am enjoying it, but I do feel these latest fights are way more taxing than anything else I've done so far. I dunno, I get it's the end of the world scenario and in order to not make the game go too stale that each battle needs to one-up the previous, but it feels to me that it's asking a little too much to remember 3 different mechanics and which one is being repeated next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Yeah, I am enjoying it, but I do feel these latest fights are way more taxing than anything else I've done so far. I dunno, I get it's the end of the world scenario and in order to not make the game go too stale that each battle needs to one-up the previous, but it feels to me that it's asking a little too much to remember 3 different mechanics and which one is being repeated next.
    This will be harsh but it simply has to be said. For the vast majority of people remembering what they did less than a minute ago isn't hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    This will be harsh but it simply has to be said. For the vast majority of people remembering what they did less than a minute ago isn't hard.
    Majority of people dont suffer with disability that can effect memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Yeah, I am enjoying it, but I do feel these latest fights are way more taxing than anything else I've done so far. I dunno, I get it's the end of the world scenario and in order to not make the game go too stale that each battle needs to one-up the previous, but it feels to me that it's asking a little too much to remember 3 different mechanics and which one is being repeated next.
    Unfortunately, the EX and up content simply may not be for you. Endsinger is pretty heavy on "remember what you just did and what order" mechanics, but EX and Savage basically relies on you being able to remember what each mechanic is for an entire fight. That's unavoidable.

    Fortunately, Extreme and up difficulty content is all 100% optional and there is plenty of other content to do. Normal raids, trials, alliance raids, beast tribes, crafting and gathering stuff. And if you need something to grind for, the relic weapon will be starting sometime in the fall likely, and that can take a fair amount of time to do, especially if they do another thing like Eureka or Bozja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Yeah, I am enjoying it, but I do feel these latest fights are way more taxing than anything else I've done so far. I dunno, I get it's the end of the world scenario and in order to not make the game go too stale that each battle needs to one-up the previous, but it feels to me that it's asking a little too much to remember 3 different mechanics and which one is being repeated next.
    All you've to remember is the point you needed to stack. E.g. if stack was the first, just keep in mind to stack if you get 3 rings. If you don't get 3 rings, just move out no matter if it's flare or aoe.

    For the rest of the fight... just follow that 1 guy who knows what he is doing like 99% of all other players do.

    Pretty much every fight is nothing but a choreography. And pretty much any fight can be carried by 1 guy knowing everything, meanwhile the rest follows. The only challenge is to make sure that the last guy on earth keeps following.
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    Last edited by ssunny2008; 04-17-2022 at 07:29 PM.

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    As someone who dislikes certain mechanics for similar reasons (no more E7 and E10 please), I do understand how you feel with regards to high-end raids.

    The thing is though, a lot of mechanics can be trivialised once you figure out how they work. I've found breaking the mechanic down into it's simplest components has helped significantly with certain fights (still stuck on P3S though :/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    It's not challenging at this point, it feels like it's punishing people for having the incapacity to memorize everything every single battle.
    That is the challenge. You have things to memorize, fights are a puzzle to figure out and learning to handle each mechanic in your own way is meant to be difficult.

    Like you said yourself, you're enjoying it. You've also cleared p2s so it's not like you aren't capable of endgame. What's most likely is you're pushing yourself too hard to learn the fights quickly and figure them out. The forums are probably the worst place to discuss this topic, because as you've seen the usual forum response is "it's easy", "EX isn't for you", "the majority of people can remember things just fine". This serves as a huge demotivation and can make you end up feeling you're just slower than everyone else.

    As far as EX mechanics go, Endsinger is rather tricky. That's a good thing. It just has a very lenient enrage timer and a good few mechanics that you can eat without dying. Stick with it, you aren't the only one struggling but you'll get there fine.
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    I remember the E12 is also a memory game.

    I am not so good with memory, so sometimes i just fail to remember.
    But I am pretty certain every person have a trick to remember mechanics better.

    If not, I believe a discord chatroom for the pros to sound out mechanics for the slower party members are also good too.
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