One Shot Mechanics

[Anhra]

There are plenty of ways to deal with SAM and its LB.

The best way is to use focustarget and watch when the stupid Buff is up. Another is ignore him and deal with stuff like DRG or Healers first. A DRG backed up by a good SCH or AST is far more dangerous than any SAM could ever be.

Yet another way to deal with them, is to bait the desired target away. Most People have literal tunnelvision when they play melee deeps and WILL goose chase you all the way to ultima thule by foot when they see your HP below 50%. And i dont think i need to tell anyone how easy it is to deal with isolated targets.


So instead of always using the same excuses which most people already use in PvE content (most of which are justified tho), how about stepoing up your game? PvP in its current state has room for Skillbased gameplay in which numbers ALONE dont matter as much in the whole picture, it is only one part.

[KageTokage]

Because you can totally avoid hitting the SAM with your incidental AoE while targeting other players.

Just the sheer level of mental manipulation and fear they cause by having it ready vs. basically every other LB is reason enough for it to be nerfed somehow; Chiten only working on attacks targeted directly at the same being an easy one.

[KizuyaKatogami]

There are plenty of ways to deal with SAM and its LB.

The best way is to use focustarget and watch when the stupid Buff is up. Another is ignore him and deal with stuff like DRG or Healers first. A DRG backed up by a good SCH or AST is far more dangerous than any SAM could ever be.

Yet another way to deal with them, is to bait the desired target away. Most People have literal tunnelvision when they play melee deeps and WILL goose chase you all the way to ultima thule by foot when they see your HP below 50%. And i dont think i need to tell anyone how easy it is to deal with isolated targets.


So instead of always using the same excuses which most people already use in PvE content (most of which are justified tho), how about stepoing up your game? PvP in its current state has room for Skillbased gameplay in which numbers ALONE dont matter as much in the whole picture, it is only one part.

I shouldn’t have to worry about my aoe spells potentially hitting the samurai and causing a party wipe. Keep in mind too, DEBUFFS ACTIVATE IT TOO. This isn’t a matter of git gud. Stop trying to defend blatant bad design.

[esra01]

Any mechanic that one shots other player should be interactable to some degree.

Currently the main way to interact/counter SAM LB is to just ignore him which is pretty much an un-interactable one sided mechanic where once 2 min passes SAM becomes a threat you can't interact with. But well you can also focus other people but some classes have a lot of AoE Ability on their kit so if the SAM get closer to the DRG now the DRG becomes another un-interactable threat that you can't use AoE ability on.

Another common way to counter SAM LB is to CC him. Which I have tried, noticed SAM use his counter ability as a PLD then I bashed him, SAM use Purify then proceeds to one shot me. So now only some CC like polymorph can properly counter SAM

And what if the SAM player is smart enough to not just not tunnelvision

Also PvP is one of the place where numbers DO MATTER, why would you pick a job that just have low potency damage if the other job can deal 20% more damage than you?

[Moonlite]

I had a match yesterday where Sam killed all 5 of us instantly, was fun times. Also I got chainsaw deleted twice. Also not fond of DRG and 30k plus something else for almost 40k instantly. Oh well win some lose some I guess.

[Maikul]

This sounds like a thread that people are just salty they died to the SAM LB. Samurai are lower on my concerns when fighting, they are like 4th priority to kill.

[aeoncs]

Anyone who is defending the SAM LB is either a SAM main with no appreciation for PvP balance because the job is carrying them right now, or doesn't understand the real issue with its current design. Even against top tier players a SAM can literally sit on their LB and completely change the playstyle of the entire enemy team for as long as they don't use it, which is absolutely crazy op. If it didn't deal AoE damage and if Kuzushi only triggered while dealing direct single target damage to the SAM, the LB would be fine but right now it's way, way too strong and not fun to play against - almost as unfun as getting RNG-oneshot by a MCH.

[Anhra]

I shouldn’t have to worry about my aoe spells potentially hitting the samurai and causing a party wipe. Keep in mind too, DEBUFFS ACTIVATE IT TOO. This isn’t a matter of git gud. Stop trying to defend blatant bad design.

I dont need to defend anything. Unlike you and most people here, i can deal with the "issue" just fine. All i did was giving sound advice on how to deal with the issue.

But i guess that is to be expected of someone who is all bark but no bite.

[RyuDragnier]

I take issue with the existence of 100% to 0% skills. Things like NIN's LB where it only 1-shots if you're below 50%? Acceptable.

[ThorneDynasty]

I take issue with the existence of 100% to 0% skills. Things like NIN's LB where it only 1-shots if you're below 50%? Acceptable.

The thing that helps balance out NIN is that skilled players should be healing themselves to be always above 50 if they can, regardless of NIN presence - not doing that is a super good way to help the enemy team to focus their fire. Plus all the other attacks that get boosted the lower the target health is.