What's up with the cone aoes hate?

[Yukimin]

Hello. I've been a Warrior main and Samurai main since patch 4.3 and I seriously, SERIOUSLY. Don't understand what with both Square Enix and a lot of the playerbase regarding the hate for the cone aoes. I've been playing with constant 230+ ping and never, ever had an issue with them.

Overpower feels awful to use now. Tenka Goken? Even more so. And ON TOP OF THAT? Really, really small aoe. Please Square, bring back Warrior's Overpower cone aoe. Me and pretty much a lot of other people *don't* want Warrior and other tanks to look the same. Warrior now feels more like Dark Knight with the stupid two combo circle aoes. Change it back please. If people don't like the cone aoe? PLAY ANOTHER TANK. Stop making every job in the game be the exact same. I loved Warrior's unique AoE.

Also obligatory revert Samurai's changes to how it was in patch 6.08. Removing Kaiten is one of the worst decisions you guys ever made. I'm sure you know that by this point by how plenty of the community is reacting to it.

It's fine to have easy classes, but not all of them need to easy. And. Last, but not least. Stop design jobs for a 120s burst. Not everyone is a raider. :) Black Mage's Ley Lines sucks now because of this.

[Sani2341]

Very much agreed on the Overpower change.

yesterday alone I messed up about half a dozen times trying to pull trash that the old cone would have easily reached, but the circle didn't so the healer got smacked a few times until I walked all the way back to them.

[Hasrat]

Spin to win, baby!!

[YukiB]

In the same expansion they decide to remove cone AOEs from WAR and SAM, they introduce Reaper, which has two cone GCDs, two cone oGCDs, and a line AOE.

Job design has been so confused lately. It's also evident with button consolidation (GNB/PLD combos vs. WAR's Inner Release/Primal Rend) and "cleave" oGCD upgrades (PLD's Expiacion vs. WAR's Orogeny). It was so apparent in 6.0 that I thought it was intentional; I thought maybe the devs were trying bits and pieces of everything to see what "sticks" with players. But here we are in 6.1 and things only seem to have diverged more. I can only assume there's a lack of oversight or guidance on what jobs should look like going forward, so different developers are going different directions.

P.S. I would not be surprised in the least to find out SAM and WAR are under the "guidance" of the same developer. They both suffer from a lot of the same problems, not to mention the fetish for guaranteed crits.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

As someone who recently picked up Warrior, I'm glad they fixed Overpower. Cone AoEs are arbitrarily clunky. Now I actually *want* to play my tank.

[Sani2341]

Cone AoEs are arbitrarily clunky.

How are Cone AoEs 'arbitrarily clunky'?

Esp. in the particular case of Overpower?

it let you reach mobs further away, like the one or two that decide to rush of to meet the WHM that regen'd you to early/the DPS that threw their big finisher at it/etc, without having to actually move, and hit just about everythign else in the trash pack as well.

where as with the new circle you have to either run after that mob to keep it in range, or us a tomahawk instead to tag it.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

How are Cone AoEs 'arbitrarily clunky'?

Esp. in the particular case of Overpower?

it let you reach mobs further away, like the one or two that decide to rush of to meet the WHM that regen'd you to early/the DPS that threw their big finisher at it/etc, without having to actually move, and hit just about everythign else in the trash pack as well.

where as with the new circle you have to either run after that mob to keep it in range, or us a tomahawk instead to tag it.

Uh, if a a healer or DPS is pulling hate off of me before I've finished my pull and got everything situated, then they need to bring those mobs over to my AoE. I wouldn't be "running" after any mob.

[Sani2341]

Uh, if a a healer or DPS is pulling hate off of me before I've finished my pull and got everything situated, then they need to bring those mobs over to my AoE. I wouldn't be "running" after any mob.

That's a nice utopia you got there where others actually do that more than half the time.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

That's a nice utopia you got there where others actually do that more than half the time.

I very rarely, if ever, see people not fixing their mistakes when they do this. I do believe most people know to bring any pulled mobs to the tank.

[Ocelittelot]

That's a nice utopia you got there where others actually do that more than half the time.

To be honest, I don't like the circle AoE for WAR and I can provide some reasons why in my opinion;

1) It's been what 9 years now? It's just like how they changed most of the melee and got rid of a good chunk of positions. Alienating the veterans just to appeal to the folks who didn't like a certain thing about the class or to make the class more appealing.
2) The cone AoE is fine in my opinion the only thing you had to do was work around and find out what position to be in. One thing I know is it's going to hurt WAR when it comes to skills like Bloodwhetting and Raw Intuition because that HP cure potency is based of per weapon skill inflicted on the enemy. I would say cone is easier to get your HP topped off compared to the circle because the circle means I have to now be in the thick of things. This means I will not be able to see what enemies AoE's I'm even in vs if I'm doing cone I can just side-step and reposition anytime I want.
3) The radius of the circle AoE is pathetic....in regards to the other tanks circle rotation, it's so underwhelming really. What they should have just done is maybe make an "overpowered 2" like an optional skill compared to just outright changing it because players or people who didn't like the cone complained about it. They did the same thing to monk and it's why now Monk lost veterans because they felt it was arbitrarily best to remove postionals and appeal to new players rather than considering the folks who have played the classes (with postionals) for over 6+ years.

Personally i don't know why SE thought this was a good change to make when in fact it just kinda alienated some folks who already established muscle memory.