What's up with the cone aoes hate?

[Yukimin]

Hello. I've been a Warrior main and Samurai main since patch 4.3 and I seriously, SERIOUSLY. Don't understand what with both Square Enix and a lot of the playerbase regarding the hate for the cone aoes. I've been playing with constant 230+ ping and never, ever had an issue with them.

Overpower feels awful to use now. Tenka Goken? Even more so. And ON TOP OF THAT? Really, really small aoe. Please Square, bring back Warrior's Overpower cone aoe. Me and pretty much a lot of other people *don't* want Warrior and other tanks to look the same. Warrior now feels more like Dark Knight with the stupid two combo circle aoes. Change it back please. If people don't like the cone aoe? PLAY ANOTHER TANK. Stop making every job in the game be the exact same. I loved Warrior's unique AoE.

Also obligatory revert Samurai's changes to how it was in patch 6.08. Removing Kaiten is one of the worst decisions you guys ever made. I'm sure you know that by this point by how plenty of the community is reacting to it.

It's fine to have easy classes, but not all of them need to easy. And. Last, but not least. Stop design jobs for a 120s burst. Not everyone is a raider. :) Black Mage's Ley Lines sucks now because of this.

[Sani2341]

Very much agreed on the Overpower change.

yesterday alone I messed up about half a dozen times trying to pull trash that the old cone would have easily reached, but the circle didn't so the healer got smacked a few times until I walked all the way back to them.

[Hasrat]

Spin to win, baby!!

[YukiB]

In the same expansion they decide to remove cone AOEs from WAR and SAM, they introduce Reaper, which has two cone GCDs, two cone oGCDs, and a line AOE.

Job design has been so confused lately. It's also evident with button consolidation (GNB/PLD combos vs. WAR's Inner Release/Primal Rend) and "cleave" oGCD upgrades (PLD's Expiacion vs. WAR's Orogeny). It was so apparent in 6.0 that I thought it was intentional; I thought maybe the devs were trying bits and pieces of everything to see what "sticks" with players. But here we are in 6.1 and things only seem to have diverged more. I can only assume there's a lack of oversight or guidance on what jobs should look like going forward, so different developers are going different directions.

P.S. I would not be surprised in the least to find out SAM and WAR are under the "guidance" of the same developer. They both suffer from a lot of the same problems, not to mention the fetish for guaranteed crits.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

As someone who recently picked up Warrior, I'm glad they fixed Overpower. Cone AoEs are arbitrarily clunky. Now I actually *want* to play my tank.

[Sani2341]

Cone AoEs are arbitrarily clunky.

How are Cone AoEs 'arbitrarily clunky'?

Esp. in the particular case of Overpower?

it let you reach mobs further away, like the one or two that decide to rush of to meet the WHM that regen'd you to early/the DPS that threw their big finisher at it/etc, without having to actually move, and hit just about everythign else in the trash pack as well.

where as with the new circle you have to either run after that mob to keep it in range, or us a tomahawk instead to tag it.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

How are Cone AoEs 'arbitrarily clunky'?

Esp. in the particular case of Overpower?

it let you reach mobs further away, like the one or two that decide to rush of to meet the WHM that regen'd you to early/the DPS that threw their big finisher at it/etc, without having to actually move, and hit just about everythign else in the trash pack as well.

where as with the new circle you have to either run after that mob to keep it in range, or us a tomahawk instead to tag it.

Uh, if a a healer or DPS is pulling hate off of me before I've finished my pull and got everything situated, then they need to bring those mobs over to my AoE. I wouldn't be "running" after any mob.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Warrior now feels more like Dark Knight with the stupid two combo circle aoes.

Which is kinda ironic considering Dark Knight has increasingly felt like a Warrior clone over the last two expansions.

[Zaniel]

Hello. I've been a Warrior main and Samurai main since patch 4.3 and I seriously, SERIOUSLY. Don't understand what with both Square Enix and a lot of the playerbase regarding the hate for the cone aoes.

Because it is jank to swap 2 targeting schemas between 2 constantly cycling skills. It's not skillful, it's just messy. Now if they had've changed them to be BOTH cone then that would also be fine, whichever, but the two skills should both use the same scheme whichever way they went.

[Wolwosh]

They're changing some jobs for the worst, from braindead to just dead