What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

[RyuDragnier]

I would say the MSQ is steering itself to become as silly as Hildibrand. The only difference is that there are bigger issues the main characters have to deal with in the MSQ as opposed to the Hildibrand line. In fact, by 8.0 I would bet there will be a dancing segment fully animated and lasting for a minimum of 20-30 seconds featuring some of the main cast while an important plot point gets relegated to a text blurb over spending the time to actually show it in engine because dancing emet meme so funny!

I'd like whatever drugs you're having to think the story is going to get as silly as Hildibrand. Like seriously, no main story quest has ever been that silly, ever gotten close to being that silly, not even in Endwalker. A few scenes sprinkled here and there over multiple quests to lighten the mood, yes. But nothing as over the top as Hildibrand.

[Raoabolic]

The war against Garlemald as told in Doma was excellent. The war against Garlemald as told in Ala Mhigo was horrendous, because that region is as colorless as it is underdeveloped.

It was really odd that Gridaina was so willing to open their borders with Ally McMingo considering the majority of what we knew of them was that they were jerks who tried to overrun Gridana and then got their aether kicked in by Garlamand. Considering the events that lead to the WoL freeing Al Amago it almost feels like the WoL and scions created a power vacuum, pointed to Yda and went, "Look, it's your new leader! :^)" Doma at least felt like you were liberating actual subjugation, Alamode-igo felt real muddled when it came to what the WoL was doing.

I'd like whatever drugs you're having to think the story is going to get as silly as Hildibrand. Like seriously, no main story quest has ever been that silly, ever gotten close to being that silly, not even in Endwalker. A few scenes sprinkled here and there over multiple quests to lighten the mood, yes. But nothing as over the top as Hildibrand.

*Points to haha sleepy catgirl scene*
*Points to loporits*
*Points to haha awkard dragoon*
*points to funny haha graha scenes*
*points to fully rendered, rigged hamburger scene*
I wish I could point to the scene where the game shows what happened during the sundering, but I guess the devs had their priorities. :^)

[RyuDragnier]

*Points to haha sleepy catgirl scene*
*Points to loporits*
*Points to haha awkard dragoon*
*points to funny haha graha scenes*
*points to fully rendered, rigged hamburger scene*
I wish I could point to the scene where the game shows what happened during the sundering, but I guess the devs had their priorities. :^)

None of that is anywhere close to Hildibrand. Hildibrand is the equivalent of Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. Meaning completely over the top, can't be taken seriously, and you're there for the insane hijinks and laughter. FFXIV's story, even with the current stuff, is more akin to DBZ. While there are funny moments, it's more action-y than anything, and can get pretty dramatic.

[Raoabolic]

None of that is anywhere close to Hildibrand. Hildibrand is the equivalent of Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. Meaning completely over the top, can't be taken seriously, and you're there for the insane hijinks and laughter. FFXIV's story, even with the current stuff, is more akin to DBZ. While there are funny moments, it's more action-y than anything, and can get pretty dramatic.

If we had to make an analogy, it's more like DB Super where the characters feel flat compared to the older writing. Combine that with the new writers doubling down on silliness and reconning established lore and I can say with some confidence that the story is GOING the way of the hilibrand feel. But hey, don't worry about it, I doubt the writers are going to take any of the criticism to heart when the writers are on record telling the players not to think too deeply about the story, lol.

[anhaato]

There’s a reason the first comic this series ever got was a slice of life high school au manga. The series as a whole has been lowered to Saturday morning cartoon levels of angst, absolutely no one important ever dies and they resolve to the next fluff cutscene after a stressful moment as quickly as possible for the sake of the people who come online and unironically post about how they needed to “take a breather” from how stressful 6.0 was.

[RyuDragnier]

If we had to make an analogy, it's more like DB Super where the characters feel flat compared to the older writing. Combine that with the new writers doubling down on silliness and reconning established lore and I can say with some confidence that the story is GOING the way of the hilibrand feel. But hey, don't worry about it, I doubt the writers are going to take any of the criticism to heart when the writers are on record telling the players not to think too deeply about the story, lol.

DBZ Super feels a lot like the original Dragonball to me, but I haven't gotten that far in it. That series has been milked to hell and back. Thinking on it though, it does feel like we're winding down to the old ARR story levels. Meaning the calm before the storm, because everybody remembers what we got hit by at the end of ARR's extra patches...

[IkaraGreydancer]

If we had to make an analogy, it's more like DB Super where the characters feel flat compared to the older writing. Combine that with the new writers doubling down on silliness and reconning established lore and I can say with some confidence that the story is GOING the way of the hilibrand feel. But hey, don't worry about it, I doubt the writers are going to take any of the criticism to heart when the writers are on record telling the players not to think too deeply about the story, lol.

Then jump ship while you can if feel that way lol

But in all seriousness you're reaching VERY hard to make this conclusion. Gof forbid the story be loght hearted. Thats not exactly a foreign aspect in the franchise. And yeah I much preferred when Vegeta was just "hey look at me I'm the Prince of Saiyans". MUCH better character writing back then.

[AnnRam]

Between the whole place getting destroyed off screen, Regula getting shafted again and again, especially with us not even being able to mention him to Varis doing the alliance meeting and him not getting any sort of revels whatsoever in the weapons questline. Bozja being a cliffhanger that amounts to nothing and kills off its most prominent character off screen, to now the second legion being confirmed as destroyed so that whole Corvos plot line is gone, Nerva being built up all throughout ShB only to just end up as a blasphemy fodder without even his own model and used as a reskinned boss. To now the garleans just saying bye and going to the moon. Is this the superb writing everyone talks about? Building up plot points only for them to all be destroyed off screen or amounted to nothing more than fodder?

Basically it was.

Be WOL
Do nothing
The biggest and most powerful empire in the world since ages gets destroyed off camera by itself.
Actually our nemesis did the work for us.

[Raven2014]

FF games are japanese games, yet they know when to have funny moments and when not to. 14 does not know how to handle this distinction and thus it just takes away from the story.

You see what you want to see. There have always been ton of these scene in FF games and other flag ship tittles like Tales, Trail, Xeno ...etc... I remember because I'm actually one of those people who find the majority of the them annoying. The difference between you and me is that I made peace with the fact it's part of the medium, rather than single it out. If anything, FF14 is far less offensive in this regard than the average Japanese tittle.

Not to mention other ff games also have consequences for the main cast so the light hearted moments actually feel like more of a relief. Whereas nothing ever happens to the main cast to warrant needing any sort of relief in this game.

And this basically show it's confirmation bias. You already have a beef with the way the story goes in other areas, so you will cite anything that reinforce that idea.

Again, just to be clear, I never said these scene are goods (god know I cringe so hard with the recent Y'shtola scene), if "all" of them are gone, I won't miss them, time and place aside they are just overall silly. I simply point out this is not a FF14 thing, but a Japanese thing. I don't deny water make you wet, I just don't understand the point of complaining water making you wet.

[KizuyaKatogami]

DBZ Super feels a lot like the original Dragonball to me, but I haven't gotten that far in it. That series has been milked to hell and back. Thinking on it though, it does feel like we're winding down to the old ARR story levels. Meaning the calm before the storm, because everybody remembers what we got hit by at the end of ARR's extra patches...

The calm before the storm? Isn’t that what the final shb patches were supposed to be. If nothing drastic happened in the literal end of days/final days, i don’t exactly see how something worse could happen. Face it, the game isn’t going to have anymore consequences. All we’re going to have every patch now is fanservice, and the protagonists winning without breaking a sweat. The devs clearly showed with Endwalker and their QnA comments they don’t care about lore. They care about pandering to the community.

You see what you want to see. There have always been ton of these scene in FF games and other flag ship tittles like Tales, Trail, Xeno ...etc... I remember because I'm actually one of those people who find the majority of the them annoying. The difference between you and me is that I made peace with the fact it's part of the medium, rather than single it out. If anything, FF14 is far less offensive in this regard than the average Japanese tittle.



And this basically show it's confirmation bias. You already have a beef with the way the story goes in other areas, so you will cite anything that reinforce that idea.

Again, just to be clear, I never said these scene are goods (god know I cringe so hard with the recent Y'shtola scene). I simply point out this is not a FF14 thing, but a Japanese thing. I don't deny water make you wet, I just don't understand the point of complaining water making you wet.

If you had actually read my post, you would have seen that i stated other ff's have scenes like this yes, however they arent as littered with them as ff14 is AND they are well executed and placed in proper areas that make sense. Whereas with 14 you have yourself going on lunch dates and scion dating scenes while the other side of the world is literally on fire, or you're walking around a chatty rabbit and showing it various fruits while the world is at stake. I stated my other point because it does affect the fanservice. Other games can get away with it because the main cast faces actual threats and theres a lot going on. 14 doesnt have that luxury and hasnt had it for quite a long time.I dont really care if you personally dont understand it, im not exactly specifically talking to you when im making my point.