Thread: 6.1 PvP: Amazing!!

This Community really needs to stop wearing their Tinfoil Hats and blame everything with the "It needs to be Balanced" Card. PvP is fundamentally different and "balance" works different there than it does compared to Raiding or other PvE content.

Every Job in its current state (PvP) has the potential to turn a Game arround for good if you know how to play. The average Player RARELY is good in PvP content on any MMO, this is nothing new and it has always been like that and as long as Online games exist, it will always be so.

Also, dont forget that PvP USED TO BE DEAD AF prior to Patch 6.1. People used to be playing Frontline, but lets be real here, how many of those People actually try to play seriously and not just to get their dose of easy EXP?
The amount of true veterans on each Server can probably be counted only by one hand and even those, are currently STILL getting used to the new changes since even they tend to do mistakes, alone from the fact on how different things are compared to back then.



Tl;dr: Victories and especially a high Ranking arent things u should be taking for granted.

Originally Posted by Anhra

This Community really needs to stop wearing their Tinfoil Hats and blame everything with the "It needs to be Balanced" Card. PvP is fundamentally different and "balance" works different there than it does compared to Raiding or other PvE content.

Every Job in its current state (PvP) has the potential to turn a Game arround for good if you know how to play. The average Player RARELY is good in PvP content on any MMO, this is nothing new and it has always been like that and as long as Online games exist, it will always be so.

Also, dont forget that PvP USED TO BE DEAD AF prior to Patch 6.1. People used to be playing Frontline, but lets be real here, how many of those People actually try to play seriously and not just to get their dose of easy EXP?
The amount of true veterans on each Server can probably be counted only by one hand and even those, are currently STILL getting used to the new changes since even they tend to do mistakes, alone from the fact on how different things are compared to back then.



Tl;dr: Victories and especially a high Ranking arent things u should be taking for granted.

There are a lot of people that hate this more than Frontline but are doing it to get the glam ASAP then never touch again. Don't fall for WoWs engagement metrics crap.

Players feeling like they have to do something does not mean it is fun.

Originally Posted by Necrotica

There are a lot of people that hate this more than Frontline but are doing it to get the glam ASAP then never touch again. Don't fall for WoWs engagement metrics crap.

Players feeling like they have to do something does not mean it is fun.

That's just kinda the nature of MMO's and other games too.
A lot of people hated Eureka but I personally loved it and still do it for glam and have fun.
Same with Bozja altho Bozja was mostly boring for me visually.

i think its fun
but god damn stun needs to be toned down

Unless they do an engine swap the pvp in this game will never feel as smooth or responsive as in WoW, GW2 or ESO. So yeah it is better than it was before but it is still pretty dreadful to anyone who has played pvp in other MMO's than FF14.

Originally Posted by Burmecia

My SCH butt as well, havent dared to try my former pvp fav AST... but all the healers probs arent having their best time X__X

That's the nature of PVP. target priority number 1: Healers.
HE'S GREEN! GET HIM!!!!

Originally Posted by Havenchild

I've played it so far on SCH and BLM.

SCH:

- Adlo is too weak to matter and two infrequent to even get the charges. Either this should be buffed to provide a bigger shield or give more charges of it with a lower cd. I rather them give me Excog then try to use Deployment Tactics on this weak heal. Healers overall feel alil weak but I think SCH is the worse.


BLM:

- LB should be more in line with the Melee DPS imo. 17k foul + instant casts seems underpowered compared to say DRG which is 30k+ damage + AoE. You can pretty much outheal the damage from the BLM LB with little issue and the CC still requiring the build up (Umbral I ->> Umbral III) does not compensate.
- Night Wing is a joke with the half sleep. Remove it and make it an instant sleep spell. Sleep is one of the weakest afflictions in PVP cause anyone can tap you and that's it. You can Purify Half Sleep status (4seconds) as well iirc, meaning that you have a chance of already eliminating the secondary affect on Night Wing (6k potency tapping sleeping target) before it even goes off.


The stuns are a bit much maybe last just alil too long. Sleep and Freeze have harsher diminishing returns (does not work after first use for some time) whereas I feel I'm getting stunlocked straight to death from full HP. Incredibly powerful on the Volcano map as well.

Just to help you out since I have played both of these alot.


Adlo is very strong on SCH. I regularly get more healing on SCH than the WHMs in my matches. The key here is to pair a deployed adlo with a recited deploy bio. Reducing incoming DMG by 15% and adding a 22.5k dot on top of that is so devastating especially since the only way to deal with a dot is to burn heals or disengage. You can put up alot of pressure. And with how frequent adlo is up you should be deploying very often.


As for BLM, at least right now, you should be stacking things up and baiting out CC and purifies. If they take the time to purify your half sleep, then they are vulnerable for 25 seconds. Smack the target not being focused with it and let them waste their purify. Then when it comes time to burst them they have nothing left to save themselves. Also, you can stack your debuffs even while they are guarding. That way, the insta they unguard you can freeze/burn them immediately. LBs like SAM and DRG are braindead right now because people don't know what they are doing. You can see when a DRG has LB. And if he suddenly becomes untargettable you know to spread apart. You can even see where he will learn. I understand that is hard to do right now because of how chaotic and new everything is. But that is a skill you MUST pick up to be a better player.




That said, most PVP complaints come from just being bad at PVP. I'm not saying that to flex since I still have a lot to learn when it comes to the mode. But people need to realize that they aren't some PVP god that's being held back by the randoms noobs they get partnered with. There's tons to learn and improve on. ANd the faster you realize that, the faster start ranking up and getting your wins. The only things I think might get nerfed are WHM's imp and WAR's stun on primal rend. Less so primal rend since people just need to learn to spread out. Imp is oppressive but it's effectively an uncleansable silence.

The only thing I wish from this mode is to not show characters’ names at all, like in Frontline lol.

Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

The only things I think might get nerfed are WHM's imp and WAR's stun on primal rend. Less so primal rend since people just need to learn to spread out. Imp is oppressive but it's effectively an uncleansable silence.

Primal rend absolutely needs to be nerfed. It needs to either be a single target gap closing stun or remove the gap closer and leave it an aoe stun. Ninja LB also needs to be nerfed. Allowing them to be able to do potentially two LB's is stupid. Would also be nice if we got a damn audio queue when someone uses an LB so we can at least have a chance to react to it.