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    CelestiCer's Avatar
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    Celesti Cer
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    I wouldn't mind merging skills, changing them to be multi-functional. For Samurai various AoE versions with shared Cooldowns or Resources, merged to be multifunction for either say SingleTarget or AoE would create depth and make space for more new skills. If it's just merging to dumb down the Jobs we have purely for the sake of oversimplification and oversimplification alone? yeah... that's... yeah no...
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    Tylwyth Teg
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    I wouldn't mind merging skills, changing them to be multi-functional. For Samurai various AoE versions with shared Cooldowns or Resources, merged to be multifunction for either say SingleTarget or AoE would create depth and make space for more new skills. If it's just merging to dumb down the Jobs we have purely for the sake of oversimplification and oversimplification alone? yeah... that's... yeah no...
    I wouldn't mind this at all, on several classes, like what they did with Gnashing Fang. If there's no choice involved (like the red mage melee combo) then it might as well be on one key (a bit like it is when you play as Alisaie) I don't think skill should require me to be a pianist, basically. I'd like fewer buttons, more choice, personally. But I also want to keep class flourish, and Kaiten was absolutely that - and pretty much the best. I loved that move.
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    Relnoria Thelysea
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    When we talk about button bloat, I agree with the fact that some class should have more "Replacing button".

    I'll show an exemple with Astrologian :

    Minor Arcana and Crown Play have literally no reason to coexist. You only draw a King or a Queen and use it for damage or heal, this has absolutely no side effect at all.

    Undraw should be deleted, there is no reason to just undraw your cards and wait another 30 second before you can draw again and sacrifice a 6% damage buff on one of your mate (Simply put, this action is not even in my hotbar). Redraw is actually doing the same thing without any consequence, it's just the better option anyway.

    The button bloat on every class can be reduced, even with ease for certain but more complicated for others (I say more complicated, but that doesn't mean it's really that hard, some classes can only reduce the button bloat slightly)

    People have their reason to complain with the removal of Kaiten. Some agree, other disagree, it's always like that. I think that if Kaiten was removed AND Potency ajusted on Iaijutsu without adding Auto-crits in order to balance the loss of Kaiten, this change could have been "more welcomed" than now, but the problem will remain the same with Kenki now, it's just a spam ressource that you literally don't need to manage at all... Only two choice are emerging on this :

    1) Bring back Kaiten, and find a way to work around

    or

    2) Going forward from now on, and rework the Kenki gauge with some ability.
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    Last edited by TabrisOmbrelame; 04-28-2022 at 04:12 PM.