button bloat

[Dzian]

Your first post, stated that BLM was extremely simple when as it is currently, it is probably the most complex job we currently have. Most jobs dream of being that engaging and complex. Go back to playing crafters and getting those skills reduced. Leave the real jobs for the adults to discuss.

Just highlighting this. the job with quite probably the least buttons and one of the lowest actions per minute is the most complex and engaging job to play...

just proves more buttons doesn't mean better job.

the problem with many jobs is how many of the buttons are essentially just filler fluff. something a lot of the jobs could learn from honestly.

[IdowhatIwant]

Just highlighting this. the job with quite probably the least buttons and one of the lowest actions per minute is the most complex and engaging job to play...

just proves more buttons doesn't mean better job.

the problem with many jobs is how many of the buttons are essentially just filler fluff. something a lot of the jobs could learn from honestly.

Part of that is because it is a caster. I would not expect a caster to be high APM. But no APM does not mean complexity you can have high APM and low APM jobs with the same level of complexity. High vs low APM are more or less play styles. Ninja and monk are two classes that would come to mind when I think of things that would be a high APM class. Black mage and summoner are two things that come to mind when i think of low APM classes. APM has nothing to do with button bloat, or complexity, you can have high APM and just hit 3 buttons at a higher frequency than others. So this is a very moot point.

Best example is when you compare BLM and SMN, similar low APMs one is clearly more complex and engaging than the other. Ninja and MCH almost the same APMs same situation. Also Black mage does have about the same number of buttons as a good portion of the classes.

The actual reason that BLM has less button bloat is not even because of the number of actions. BLM learns 31 actions where as most classes learn about 28-29. Blm spells are often upgrading to other skills, rather than being an additional button. Many of these actions are also longer CD skills or not used but in very niche situations. If Yoshi P were able to make skills upgrades in an intelligent and logical way, or have skills chain into skills in an intelligent and logical way that would solve most of you button bloat problems if not all. Problem is based off this patch is they are unable to do this in an intelligent or logical way, likely because they don't have a clear understanding of there own jobs they created.

Good examples of how to address button bloat would be Paladins new combo in 6.0 chaining off of confiteor, or Fel Cleave turning into Nascent Chaos and leaving Primal Rend as it own button.

Bad examples of of address button bloat would be removal of kaiten, or turning wanders minuet into pitch perfect.