button bloat

[ZedxKayn]

If it was just 1-2-3 it would be fine. Nobody is asking for 1-1-1. What we have a problem with is when it is, in reality, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-alt1-alt2-alt-3, etc. Most jobs require 3 full hotbars of buttons. That is neither possible nor fun for me, and that is why I use macros to stack skills.

Might wanna look at MMO mice.

[Nothv13]

Might wanna look at MMO mice.

I have an MMO mouse, and a Azeron Cyborg and still find this game has extra buttons just to have extra buttons. To me, PvP not only has more interesting abilities, but also more class identity since the rework, which shows you do not need excessive buttons to have a well design and fun class flow.

[IdowhatIwant]

I have an MMO mouse, and a Azeron Cyborg and still find this game has extra buttons just to have extra buttons. To me, PvP not only has more interesting abilities, but also more class identity since the rework, which shows you do not need excessive buttons to have a well design and fun class flow.

I think pvp has interesting abilities and better class identity, but it is very bare. In PVE no job actually requires 3 full hot bars, and about 25% of your skills are for niche situations that you likely do not need on your hot bar and about 25% of skills that could be combined to 1 key or an upgrade of a skill. I would probably say that about 45% of button bloat is people being unintelligent enough to set up better keybinds for there classes. If you are using 1-0 button bloat isn't the problem your keybinding is. I would not mind seeing the class identity from PvP go into PvE.

[Nothv13]

I think pvp has interesting abilities and better class identity, but it is very bare. In PVE no job actually requires 3 full hot bars, and about 25% of your skills are for niche situations that you likely do not need on your hot bar and about 25% of skills that could be combined to 1 key or an upgrade of a skill. I would probably say that about 45% of button bloat is people being unintelligent enough to set up better keybinds for there classes. If you are using 1-0 button bloat isn't the problem your keybinding is. I would not mind seeing the class identity from PvP go into PvE.

I do not think PvE should be as bare as PvP is. PvP just shows that you don't need tons of buttons to have strong class identity and engaging gameplay. Button bloat comes down to feeling. As I said I have an azeron 20+ buttons within less than a centimeter of my finger and an MMO mouse and I still feel button bloat exists in PvE. Maybe if that bloat lead to classes being rather unique rather than homogenized, I'd feel different, but it doesn't.