New PvP mode is crap, please remove.

[KizuyaKatogami]

just don't do pvp ```

That’s not addressing the problems though. While i do agree it shouldn’t be axed immediately, it needs to be fixed somewhat. Idk why in any pvp mode you would give multiple jobs instant kill abilities. Not only that but it looks like they kind of destroyed healer kits. Sage’s only form of healing is in kardia??? I’m all aboard with healers getting more dps options but to only make the healing available via a single target partner buff and their mitigation tools being pretty minor…oof. It seems like there’s a lot of balancing that needs to be done.

[HakuroDK]

I can't speak to the instant kill mechanics because I do agree that those--particularly Ninja's--can be pretty ugly to deal with firsthand, but as someone playing as an AST, let me weigh in on the other piece of criticism.

I think the biggest problem with healers in PVP is less so the design in PVP and more the players' mindsets when approaching PVP in a way that healers would approach PVE or pre-CC PVP.

Consider your job less of a "Healer" and more of a "Support". Yes, you have some healing and that can certainly help turn the tide, but in PVP, that is not your primary focus or job. With the restructuring of PVP actions, every single class regardless of role has a new playstyle vs what they did before.

For example, it used to be an AST was just like every other healer. Heal players, maybe throw some DPS up cards on people, do a teensy bit of damage, try really hard not to die.

New PVP AST is very much a Crowd Control / Support. Gravity II -> Double Cast and Macrocosmos are mainly used as huge AoE DPS abilities that do way more base damage than Fell Malefic. That along with throwing out DPS up / MP regen / LB Generation cards on cooldown and the best support LB in the game, healing starts to become an afterthought. Especially when you consider that every single job in PVP has their own unique sustain on top of a virtually spammable heal in the form of Recuperate. So you should not have to heal them as much as you feel like you need to. And if your party members are going down so fast that you feel like you need to be doing more healing, trust me. They were probably focusing that player down with extremely potent DPS and they weren't supposed to survive that kind of an onslaught.

From what I am seeing just from the tooltips on the Job Guide, Sage's playstyle is that of an Enfeebler. Some of your best skills inflict Vulnerability on targets, letting your DPS/Tank party members deal way more damage to them, and SGE's LB is a god-tier Area Denial ability that you can slap down wherever you need enemies to not be, like a checkpoint.

[IDontPetLalas]

I can't speak to the instant kill mechanics because I do agree that those--particularly Ninja's--can be pretty ugly to deal with firsthand, but as someone playing as an AST, let me weigh in on the other piece of criticism.

I think the biggest problem with healers in PVP is less so the design in PVP and more the players' mindsets when approaching PVP in a way that healers would approach PVE or pre-CC PVP.

Consider your job less of a "Healer" and more of a "Support". Yes, you have some healing and that can certainly help turn the tide, but in PVP, that is not your primary focus or job. With the restructuring of PVP actions, every single class regardless of role has a new playstyle vs what they did before.

For example, it used to be an AST was just like every other healer. Heal players, maybe throw some DPS up cards on people, do a teensy bit of damage, try really hard not to die.

New PVP AST is very much a Crowd Control / Support. Gravity II -> Double Cast and Macrocosmos are mainly used as huge AoE DPS abilities that do way more base damage than Fell Malefic. That along with throwing out DPS up / MP regen / LB Generation cards on cooldown and the best support LB in the game, healing starts to become an afterthought. Especially when you consider that every single job in PVP has their own unique sustain on top of a virtually spammable heal in the form of Recuperate. So you should not have to heal them as much as you feel like you need to. And if your party members are going down so fast that you feel like you need to be doing more healing, trust me. They were probably focusing that player down with extremely potent DPS and they weren't supposed to survive that kind of an onslaught.

From what I am seeing just from the tooltips on the Job Guide, Sage's playstyle is that of an Enfeebler. Some of your best skills inflict Vulnerability on targets, letting your DPS/Tank party members deal way more damage to them, and SGE's LB is a god-tier Area Denial ability that you can slap down wherever you need enemies to not be, like a checkpoint.

Basically what this person said. I would only add that queuing as a healer is still challenging given that most other teams still will tend to dogpile the healer. so my first act on my AST is to pray to RNG Jesus for a good card, throw that out, get out my gravity and then try not to die. it is definitely NOT to spam heals on anyone.

[Ransu]

Remove yourself instead OP. The new pvp mode is great.

[Karni]

How can anyone say with a straight face that there is any sliver of balance in this new pvp is beyond mad. Some of these skills that some jobs have is so over the top. Also i can just about guess every time what team is going to win before the match starts just looking at the party comps. SE has a lot of work ahead of them if they want to make this new pvp balanced and equally competitive imo

[Abomination713]

They didn't balance this crap at all. WAR is so much stronger compared to the other tanks that it's a fucking joke! They only cared about WAR and it shows. Which at this point isn't surprising any more since they have showed favoritism to WAR since patch 2.1 and I've seen it all as a PLD main.

[Canadane]

This is probably the most fun game mode since The Fold.

[Droxybrobotnik]

I feel the stun spam needs to be curbed, its very unenjoyable

[KageTokage]

I feel the stun spam needs to be curbed, its very unenjoyable

Yeah...I'm kind of surprised they removed the diminishing returns and eventual CC immunity from PvP.

Purify doesn't cut it, especially when latency often results in you getting CC'd again before the secondary immunity effect can even kick in.

[Ransu]

Yeah...I'm kind of surprised they removed the diminishing returns and eventual CC immunity from PvP.

Purify doesn't cut it, especially when latency often results in you getting CC'd again before the secondary immunity effect can even kick in.

I think the CC is fine. They could maybe shorten the purify CD to 15s and make the immunity it offers 10s instead of 5s, but overall the amount of CC is mostly fine. Only thing that really bothers me is warrior cc appears to be an aoe as well as being a gap closer on a pretty short CD. Primal Rend CD either needs to be increased or the stun needs to be single target.