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  1. #11
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    LyteStorm's Avatar
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    Lyte Storm
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90

    You’re Not Alone

    I had this exact same conversation in my FC.

    From the 4 days I’ve been playing, it truly seems to be 89% random. The one point where you can actually apply any strategy is by using markers on a target and hope that your teammates follow along and attack the marked opponents.

    In the cases where I’ve won (which has been very few), this was the way.

    The other thing that I found to be useful was changing my targeting to ‘closest’ so that I’m not flustered with targeting while being pummeled with enfeeblements and debuffs.

    Personally, I think the enfeeblements are the primary issue. If you’re targeted by more than 1 person, you’re pretty much dead because you’ll have a weight or paralysis enfeeblements and no way to get out of it unless you’re lucky enough to have a healer who actually tries to support the team.

    Hopefully this gets better in later patches.

    Good luck!
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  2. #12
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    SuperZay's Avatar
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    Character
    Violet Flower
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 23
    - Doing calls every 10-20 seconds on the most apropriate target, usually starting with the healer and proceed to wipe the whole party at start
    - Getting 4 kills every match on average, up to 11 kills sometimes
    - Spamming recuperate and guard when I'm focused
    - Tell my party to push crystal when they are chasing kills in Afghanistan
    - Still losing almost every match because enemy has spam limit 'much skill' break comeback

    I'm still Bronze 3 after 20 wins. How people got diamond in one day? Tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
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    Last edited by SuperZay; 04-15-2022 at 07:56 AM.

  3. #13
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    Brixy's Avatar
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    It's Brixy
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    1. Your main job may not be the best job for you. I'm a warrior main for pretty much everything and it has always been my only pvp job of choice. It's my favorite job and I spent the whole first day playing warrior in CC. My issue with warrior was that I didn't feel like I could swing matches with it. Day 2 I swapped to playing Ninja and i's incredibly versatile and offers different playstyles and adaptability. Ninjas limit break alone can swing matches if used correctly. You can stay at range to apply safe pressure and sneak in to finish off players or to gang up on players. You even have access to double stun from across the map to secure kills and stop people from reacting with cure spamming themselves. Ninja also has a lot of defensive options with a teleport, suiton to heal, or huton to shield yourself.
    tl;dr- LOTS of options.
    2. Basic math. This is where most people are messing up from what I've seen. 1 vs 2 is not good odds. You should assume that 1 vs 5 is much worse... But you would be surprised how often this happens. Don't be that person that rushes in and dies the whole match because you are doing several things: wasting your time and not building limit break, feeding opponents limit break instead, and making it at best a 4 vs 5 for most of the match. Not a good idea.
    3. Use the map to your advantage. There are 2 main things here. Bomb explosions and tornadoes. Stunning, pulling, or knocking people into bomb lines is massive damage. Same applies to tornadoes with the added option that you can apply enough pressure to force them to shield early so they don't have shield available for the tornado. Warrior is very good at doing this
    4. Call out what you can. On ninja I mark and call out my target any time I plan to stun lock and have mug available for the increases burst damage. Never assume people are on the same page as you. I can't stress enough how many kills should have happened and people drop the ball. Marking opponents at least shows teammates that maybe they should aim at the big 1 marker in the air.
    5. Stay with your team. If a team fight happens and people start dropping then you need to check if you are on the winning side. If not, then back up and wait for respawns. This ties back to the 1 vs 5 mentioned earlier. Should be obvious enough, but again... You would be surprised.
    6. Limit break usage. LB are very strong options on all jobs. Don't waste them!
    7. Shields are not only there to block damage. Consider the option that shielding also allows you time on your ability recasts. This can be used to hold off long enough to get a stun or silence back off cooldown while you cut down damage received.
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  4. #14
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    Moonlite's Avatar
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    Uldah
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    Character
    Midnight Falcon
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Qeilos View Post
    I have played over 12 hours the past 2 days and im still bronze 3. I refuse to believe everyone is having this experience so I can improve on some things but I do think being on Crystal is making it an extra special layer of hell. Im not saying we dont have good players, but historically and you can see the data for this, Crystal is not tryhards by any stretch of the imagination, nor do they aspire to be so the struggle is immense.

    Crystal had the most Platinums after day 1 in the world. Looks like top 100 is roughly the same as aether.



    The first days would also been the worse if you think you are of a certain skill. I had certain Diamond and Platinum in my Bronze match.Since we all started same rank this time. So we were feeding ground as they worked their way up. Now that they have moved on most people in Bronze and Silver should be closer to that skill level.



    Also how many matches does one think they should win? 50% seems high unless you are past top 50 per data centre. No job is so broken they guarantee a win yet so you don't have that in your favour. The party make up is random so that also doesn't help. I find numbers interesting and hope after6.1 is over SE releases numbers on win %, win streaks, loosing streaks, job most kills, job most wins, job most losses. Then we can have an even deeper discussion about the mode.
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    Last edited by Moonlite; 04-15-2022 at 11:23 AM.

  5. #15
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    KagerouTheWolf's Avatar
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    Character
    Luu Lumeno
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    here are some tips that can work for everyone from what I've experienced.
    Watch the enemies LB bar, if a WHM or DRG has full LB you're not going to want to be stacking on top of each other.
    Every class has some form of CC (crowd control) and knowing when to use it is important.
    try to focus down a single target with your team, if you can get a numbers advantage then its pretty huge.
    Guard to an amazing spell that can really give your time enough time to come and save you.
    Always regroup after getting wiped, if you trickle in one by one you're going to lose without a doubt.
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  6. #16
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    Garten's Avatar
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    Garten Rei
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    - Doing calls every 10-20 seconds on the most apropriate target, usually starting with the healer and proceed to wipe the whole party at start
    - Getting 4 kills every match on average, up to 11 kills sometimes
    - Spamming recuperate and guard when I'm focused
    - Tell my party to push crystal when they are chasing kills in Afghanistan
    - Still losing almost every match because enemy has spam limit 'much skill' break comeback

    I'm still Bronze 3 after 20 wins. How people got diamond in one day? Tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
    I feel you so much, seen people getting crystal 2hr after patch.. dunno how it is humanly possible..
    also everything you wrote..
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  7. #17
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    Bureda's Avatar
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    Character
    Bureda Ghodhand
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 100
    -Double healer tends to win more often than not.
    -Do not be afraid to target tanks. You will find your win rate go up a lot when you do this. They are extremely squishy
    -Save your IMP or CC for when a SAM or NIN use ults.
    -When enemy team has a warrior or a drg with LB do not stay close to your team, don't be tempted to go in for aoe, heal or use your charge, bait out the stun and then use your charge to move somewhere else.
    -When you're healing or range attacking and it is safe to do so, always go in the objective.
    -If you have defensive abilities up, always go in the objective and contest it.
    -Dragoon and Samurai are deceptively tank.
    -Summoner is obnoxious if you let them free harass.
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  8. #18
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    Night Hour
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Play Samurai
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  9. #19
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Character
    Princess- Princess
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 100
    Just wanna chime in again if I may? I did make it to gold. I have seen a huge difference in games. Teams are more coordinated and willing to follow what you ask. You win some you lose some and it’s okay. I definitely enjoy the gold rank games a bit more tbh.
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  10. #20
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    Mapleine's Avatar
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    Character
    Elodie Claire
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    A lot of tricks from other PvP MMOs apply here. Being aggressive, knowing how to get picks, knowing how to position, don't hesitate if you think you need defenses, you can tell there's a lot of folks with WoW BG and Arena experience messin' about.

    If you don't have that experience, you'll simply need to play and watch. Absolutely watch good players, nothing will educate you more.

    As for random, well, that's matchmaking and this game is largely filled with casuals. There's almost always 1-2 people in a match doing a fraction of what they should be doing.

    The real way to grow is to realize you are the sole constant in your matches. If you are personally doing well there's no way you won't climb, even if it involves some friction.
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    Last edited by Mapleine; 04-16-2022 at 09:21 AM.

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