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    Player Anhra's Avatar
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    Anhra Nefaris
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    The best way of getting gud, is trough Trial and Error.

    If one thing doesn't work out for you, maybe you need to change your overall approach on the Situation as a whole. Keep in mind that most FFXIV Players are rather fond of a "rush metagame" for which we can blame Frontline Roulette, Feast and even Savage Raiding to a degree.

    Depending on what you play, you can use this to your advantage. Get creative and dont fear losing, if one thing doesnt work out, another will. The current Job design in PvP is alot more flexible than one might think.

    I also recomment recording some matches you play (or watch Streamers play), that way you can also gain great insight on how People play during a match.
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    LyteStorm's Avatar
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    Lyte Storm
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90

    You’re Not Alone

    I had this exact same conversation in my FC.

    From the 4 days I’ve been playing, it truly seems to be 89% random. The one point where you can actually apply any strategy is by using markers on a target and hope that your teammates follow along and attack the marked opponents.

    In the cases where I’ve won (which has been very few), this was the way.

    The other thing that I found to be useful was changing my targeting to ‘closest’ so that I’m not flustered with targeting while being pummeled with enfeeblements and debuffs.

    Personally, I think the enfeeblements are the primary issue. If you’re targeted by more than 1 person, you’re pretty much dead because you’ll have a weight or paralysis enfeeblements and no way to get out of it unless you’re lucky enough to have a healer who actually tries to support the team.

    Hopefully this gets better in later patches.

    Good luck!
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    NightHour's Avatar
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    Night Hour
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Play Samurai
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    SuperZay's Avatar
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    Violet Flower
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 23
    - Doing calls every 10-20 seconds on the most apropriate target, usually starting with the healer and proceed to wipe the whole party at start
    - Getting 4 kills every match on average, up to 11 kills sometimes
    - Spamming recuperate and guard when I'm focused
    - Tell my party to push crystal when they are chasing kills in Afghanistan
    - Still losing almost every match because enemy has spam limit 'much skill' break comeback

    I'm still Bronze 3 after 20 wins. How people got diamond in one day? Tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
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    Last edited by SuperZay; 04-15-2022 at 07:56 AM.

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    Garten's Avatar
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    Garten Rei
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    - Doing calls every 10-20 seconds on the most apropriate target, usually starting with the healer and proceed to wipe the whole party at start
    - Getting 4 kills every match on average, up to 11 kills sometimes
    - Spamming recuperate and guard when I'm focused
    - Tell my party to push crystal when they are chasing kills in Afghanistan
    - Still losing almost every match because enemy has spam limit 'much skill' break comeback

    I'm still Bronze 3 after 20 wins. How people got diamond in one day? Tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
    I feel you so much, seen people getting crystal 2hr after patch.. dunno how it is humanly possible..
    also everything you wrote..
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    - Doing calls every 10-20 seconds on the most apropriate target, usually starting with the healer and proceed to wipe the whole party at start
    - Getting 4 kills every match on average, up to 11 kills sometimes
    - Spamming recuperate and guard when I'm focused
    - Tell my party to push crystal when they are chasing kills in Afghanistan
    - Still losing almost every match because enemy has spam limit 'much skill' break comeback

    I'm still Bronze 3 after 20 wins. How people got diamond in one day? Tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
    why are you still asking people to start with the healer? That's not necessarily the most dangerous opponent, for one thing.
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    Hysorn's Avatar
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    Laudrian Ravenstorm
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    why are you still asking people to start with the healer? That's not necessarily the most dangerous opponent, for one thing.
    It's not a bad call overall, Healers have a lot of utility, SGE is more of a DPS for instance(A pretty damn good one, I might add), WHM can be a constant annoyance, SCHs heal a lot, etc, if your entire team go for an all-in, destroy the healer at the very start of the match, you can bet you are going to win the first fight.
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    Eskuire's Avatar
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    Character
    Jersey Flow
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Scholars can only really "heal heal" when they are in their LB. Their Galvanize isn't too good. I screwed around in it with casual for a bit just to see [I main it, wanted to see] and Galvanize's shield not buffed in LB is legit garbage. All they can really do is Broil for weak damage and Bio/Bio+ you and expediant. When Seraph aoe comes out though, yeah. Dope. Why they decided to give them a "Get in their face" conal aoe is beyond me though...It's like SE hates the class lol
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Character
    Noah Orih
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    Scholars can only really "heal heal" when they are in their LB. Their Galvanize isn't too good. I screwed around in it with casual for a bit just to see [I main it, wanted to see] and Galvanize's shield not buffed in LB is legit garbage. All they can really do is Broil for weak damage and Bio/Bio+ you and expediant. When Seraph aoe comes out though, yeah. Dope. Why they decided to give them a "Get in their face" conal aoe is beyond me though...It's like SE hates the class lol
    Yeah I think I've seen 1 SCH so far. I have no idea how it feels to play but they're just non-existent. Sage on the other hand, I am loving. I'm regularly dealing the highest damage of any player per game while also making my party nice and tanky with Pneuma and Mesotes. It feels like a good tradeoff for a job that lacks CC.
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    Brixy's Avatar
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    It's Brixy
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    1. Your main job may not be the best job for you. I'm a warrior main for pretty much everything and it has always been my only pvp job of choice. It's my favorite job and I spent the whole first day playing warrior in CC. My issue with warrior was that I didn't feel like I could swing matches with it. Day 2 I swapped to playing Ninja and i's incredibly versatile and offers different playstyles and adaptability. Ninjas limit break alone can swing matches if used correctly. You can stay at range to apply safe pressure and sneak in to finish off players or to gang up on players. You even have access to double stun from across the map to secure kills and stop people from reacting with cure spamming themselves. Ninja also has a lot of defensive options with a teleport, suiton to heal, or huton to shield yourself.
    tl;dr- LOTS of options.
    2. Basic math. This is where most people are messing up from what I've seen. 1 vs 2 is not good odds. You should assume that 1 vs 5 is much worse... But you would be surprised how often this happens. Don't be that person that rushes in and dies the whole match because you are doing several things: wasting your time and not building limit break, feeding opponents limit break instead, and making it at best a 4 vs 5 for most of the match. Not a good idea.
    3. Use the map to your advantage. There are 2 main things here. Bomb explosions and tornadoes. Stunning, pulling, or knocking people into bomb lines is massive damage. Same applies to tornadoes with the added option that you can apply enough pressure to force them to shield early so they don't have shield available for the tornado. Warrior is very good at doing this
    4. Call out what you can. On ninja I mark and call out my target any time I plan to stun lock and have mug available for the increases burst damage. Never assume people are on the same page as you. I can't stress enough how many kills should have happened and people drop the ball. Marking opponents at least shows teammates that maybe they should aim at the big 1 marker in the air.
    5. Stay with your team. If a team fight happens and people start dropping then you need to check if you are on the winning side. If not, then back up and wait for respawns. This ties back to the 1 vs 5 mentioned earlier. Should be obvious enough, but again... You would be surprised.
    6. Limit break usage. LB are very strong options on all jobs. Don't waste them!
    7. Shields are not only there to block damage. Consider the option that shielding also allows you time on your ability recasts. This can be used to hold off long enough to get a stun or silence back off cooldown while you cut down damage received.
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