I would like to encourage everyone to keep providing the feedback YoshiP asked for.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Healers have given feedback for 6 years. Yoshi P doesn’t give a shit about them and he made it pretty clear.

Honestly I'm asking all of the "woe is me" healer players coming into these threads with their doomposting to honestly just leave us alone from now on. We have had hagakure re added before so their is a precedent. Rather than your unwelcome comments maybe sit and back and learn how DPS players push a change through.

[Semirhage]

Honestly I'm asking all of the "woe is me" healer players coming into these threads with their doomposting to honestly just leave us alone from now on. We have had hagakure re added before so their is a precedent. Rather than your unwelcome comments maybe sit and back and learn how DPS players push a change through.

Easy: by being the only role the developers give a crap about. Now, that's not a *guarantee* they'll listen, but it's how it works. DPS jobs get adjustment attention CONSTANTLY. "Don't expect full reforms mid-expansion" has a caveat- DPS can get it. I'm not here to healer blackpill in your thread, I do that plenty in the healer forums, but I have to poke my head in here to laugh at the DPS pretending like they get changes pushed through because they're somehow "more constructive about it" instead of it very, very blatantly being the favorite role. I switched to playing DPS years ago for that very reason.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Not every DPS is the same. MCH problems still getting ignored after 4-5 years. Damage is too low, ping problems unfixed.

Correct me if i’m wrong but Mch at least got a rework in ShB and was in a somewhat good spot and it was seen as an improvement. Healers have been gutted every single expansion, to the point that the devs solution was to tell them to “go play ultimate” for engaging gameplay.

Honestly I'm asking all of the "woe is me" healer players coming into these threads with their doomposting to honestly just leave us alone from now on. We have had hagakure re added before so their is a precedent. Rather than your unwelcome comments maybe sit and back and learn how DPS players push a change through.

Oh please dont act all high and mighty because you dps players are pandered to and constantly get changes done. You know well enough there is a major double standard when it comes to healers vs dps. It's not about you being better at conversing, its just it being the most favored role. Plain and simple.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Thank you for sharing this! Good to know that our SAM brothers and sisters in JP are just as fervently against these changes as we are.

[ANGELICRUINz]

Honestly the only thing I dont outright 100% dislike is the change to tenka goken and even that is 50/50. The job just doesn't feel right to play since the patch. I started playing SAM towards the end of SHB and really enjoyed it and then when 6.0 came out I felt that the job had really hit its stride and felt amazing to play like it had had its natural progression from SHB. Really hoping they revert changes quickly.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Correct me if i’m wrong but Mch at least got a rework in ShB and was in a somewhat good spot and it was seen as an improvement. Healers have been gutted every single expansion, to the point that the devs solution was to tell them to “go play ultimate” for engaging gameplay.




Oh please dont act all high and mighty because you dps players are pandered to and constantly get changes done. You know well enough there is a major double standard when it comes to healers vs dps. It's not about you being better at conversing, its just it being the most favored role. Plain and simple.

Oh ok I guess we'll stop giving feedback because it makes you healer players feel bad!

[WiccaP]

Correct me if i’m wrong but Mch at least got a rework in ShB and was in a somewhat good spot and it was seen as an improvement. Healers have been gutted every single expansion, to the point that the devs solution was to tell them to “go play ultimate” for engaging gameplay.

Mch was redone in ShB and it was awful. Then in 5.3 or so they adjusted it to make it work how it does now. The problem is they dropped the potency on it toward the end of 5.x before ew, and it's dps and optimization have been in the toilet. The main issue is that wildfire and heat blast have had ping issues since before ShB and the player base has repeatedly asked for adjustments to it. Yoshi and the devs have been point blanked asked about it multiple times and the reply is we've never gotten any negative feedback about it. When there is proof they have. Also in lives it's pretty clear they don't want to talk about mch at all. Yes the ShB readjust did some amazing things but it made some other problems and they refuse to adjust what players are asking for.

[SlickPaws]

Oh ok I guess we'll stop giving feedback because it makes you healer players feel bad!

I guess nobody's allowed to have fun with their classes until the healers are happy. Pack up all the SAM threads, let's take to the Healer Roles area and post about how to fix a role we don't play so that we can get back here to asking them to fix a role we do know how to play.

[Roxus]

The thing is, it’s only all gaining traction now because it’s dps jobs being affected. No one cared when it was just healers and constantly criticized healer mains for complaining. Now that it’s affecting dps jobs everyone is up in arms. I’m sure the samurai change will get fixed, and then everyone will keep silent on healer problems yet again.

Instead of only focusing your energy on complaining that they do nothing, please add suggestions they can take. I very much dislike the state the game is in now where everything is slowly becoming simpler.

One thing I would have found interesting are heals/shield use augmenting Broil/Glare/Malefic. Maybe bring back a water attribute spell that can proc from using the shields on WHM, as an example.

For MCH, they don't deserve the current treatment they are getting either. Even simple QOL fixes being rejected is ridiculous.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I guess nobody's allowed to have fun with their classes until the healers are happy. Pack up all the SAM threads, let's take to the Healer Roles area and post about how to fix a role we don't play so that we can get back here to asking them to fix a role we do know how to play.

It’s moreso the bias of it all. People have been completely silent when it comes to healer issues, there’s even a thread talking about how no one cared until it’s now affecting them. The thing is, if y’all had been as loud for healers as you are for samurai right now, you might not even be in this situation to begin with. The simplifying and job gutting started with healers. It was only healer mains that were giving feedback and begging for changes and everyone else basically said to shut up and stop whining it’s “fine.” But now that it affects you guys all of a sudden this is a major problem and the idea of job favoritism is brought up? That’s what i have a problem with. I’m fine with people expressing their annoyance over the changes and what have you, i’m just pointing out the laughable double standard, bias, and hypocrisy of this community. And like i said, once you all get your changes you aren’t going to stick around to help healers, you’ll all be content and happy and we’ll be left to being ignored again.

Instead of only focusing your energy on complaining that they do nothing, please add suggestions they can take. I very much dislike the state the game is in now where everything is slowly becoming simpler.

One thing I would have found interesting are heals/shield use augmenting Broil/Glare/Malefic. Maybe bring back a water attribute spell that can proc from using the shields on WHM, as an example.

For MCH, they don't deserve the current treatment they are getting either. Even simple QOL fixes being rejected is ridiculous.

Again, i dont know how many times it needs to be said, people have given suggestions, for 6 whole years. Yoshi P even read one of them at the LL, the devs are aware of them. They just do.not.care. He literally said to go do ultimate if you want the healer role to feel engaging. WE have been constructive, we have been respectful, we have been very specific on wha it is we want and we've gotten nothing in return.