Trusts and Duty Support - I'm confused

[WindyGamer]

So, as far as I can tell, nobody uses Trusts for two reasons: It takes a lot longer to do a dungeon with these bots rather than Real People. and if you die with a Trust, the duty resets rather than the healer Trust rezzing you. Ok.

So I ran some Duty Support yesterday to level my MCH from 30 - 45. And it seemed very reasonable. But in the new Castrum this morning with my RPR 85, it was slogging. [BTW, can we cut the alarm noise earlier? Seriously?] Just like Trusts slog. Ran the Roulette and got Castrum with real folks and my guess is that it's 30% faster. So.. One of my confusions is: If the stats are standardized for this dungeon to IL 60 or whatever, why is Duty Support slower to kill stuff? They don't seem dumb. And I'm the same toon on the same job both times. Hey, SX we aren't gonna use DS and Trusts if they are so much worse than people. Have you not noticed this in the statistics you are keeping on our gameplay? Can we please make DS and Trusts put out the same DPS as people? And allow healers to rez our DPS or Tank when we are running with them? Don Megh first boss is un runnable with Trusts since the splashy splashy never works out for me. Also, Alphy Cheats in the Well with the Armordillo. Alphy stands close on the overhead blast and if I stand with him I die instantly. I don't see a Aloq buff on him. He is just cheating as far as I can tell.

And one more thing. I play a couple of times a week with a friend, and I'll bet lots of us play with friends. But we can't fill our party with DS or Trusts. Why not? If these NPCs can play, then the leader should be able to do a DS / Trust to fill out a party with the correct NPCs to allow folks to play together. Why are these features just for solo players?
Of course, if the NPCs aren't really playing, but just faking it, then it won't be possible to add them to non-solo parties because they are conspiring behind our backs to make it look like they are playing. Hey, Alphy? What was that you just did?

For jobs less than 50, DS is my go to for leveling. Except there is a gap in the dungeon list from 42ish - 50. Add some dungeons - and fix some for DS - and we can stop grinding PoD and do something more interesting.

BTW, Good job on the fixes to Tokomak and Stone Vigil. Both are much nicer. Not just mechanics but the look too.

Anybody else confused too?
Thanks. Great 6.1 update btw.

[WindyGamer]

Oh, and while we are at it. Shouldn't The MSQ Roulette allow 2 or 3 runs a day to make up for the lowered Tome numbers we get now? Seems like my tomes per day just got cut in half?

[Equitable_Remedy]

So, as far as I can tell, nobody uses Trusts

Please cite sources.

[KRIPTICON]

If trusts were just as fast as real players, there would be little incentive to use the DF. Roulette participation would almost certainly drop significantly leading up to patches that increase the gear score cap (dailies=tomes for endgame gear). Everyone knows trusts are slow so it stands to reason that it's intentional.

[WindyGamer]

If trusts were just as fast as real players, there would be little incentive to use the DF. Roulette participation would almost certainly drop significantly leading up to patches that increase the gear score cap (dailies=tomes for endgame gear). Everyone knows trusts are slow so it stands to reason that it's intentional.

And my point is that if Trusts and DS are disadvantaged, then they will not be used. We will just wait longer on DF. As we apparently do. Raise your hand the last time you used Trusts for anything but a test... And if so, why did we work so hard to build something nobody wants to use? That's part of my confusion.

[WindyGamer]

Please cite sources.

When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.

[Ath192]

When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.

I just used for the new dungeon, and most of EW. I do raid, and know my proper rotation, however it stems from an issue in endwalker where people were just sprinting the heck out of the dungeon and didn’t wait for the boss cutscene to finish playing. This was on… day 3 of the expansion release I want to say. No doubt they were farming but I wanted to soak in the dungeons on my first play through.

I did expect double pulls but there’s just something about hyper sprinting without getting the chance to enjoy anything that I found off putting enough I went the trust route.

Turns out speed isn’t king all the time. Mind you I didn’t say anything to them but I shifted in how I consumed the msq content.

[TaleraRistain]

Duty Support is just an option for those who want it. Since Shadowbringers introduced it, I've always done my MSQ content where it's available with Trusts first. Like you said, they can't rez you. Some people just follow them. I use them to learn the fight in a chill setting. Plus it lets me take in the environment, read any little notes, and just generally take things at the speed I want to at the time.

It's anecdotal but I know plenty of people who do the same. Then we use Duty Finder for the daily roulettes. But we don't have our first time experience ruined by impatience or toxicity or have to sit forever in a queue instead of progressing. They have the numbers on usage. If no one was using it, then they could factor that in on whether they needed to spend time developing it.

[YukiB]

When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.

I leveled all my Trusts to 90. I just used Duty Support for my first run of the new dungeon.

So there's another source.

[WindyGamer]

They have the numbers on usage. If no one was using it, then they could factor that in on whether they needed to spend time developing it.

Be nice for them to tell us what the numbers are, wouldn't it? Remove some anecdote? and maybe we or they could consider the antidote?