Bring Back Kaiten

[xAFROx]

Better not at all,

May as well compensate the rest of the job’s reverted abilities likewise if such was the case as it’ll further feed the flames in response to such that would have others react as to why didn’t the other jobs get reworked likewise?

Only time will tell -sips Ishgardian Wine-

Ain't nothing wrong with asking for our job to be fixed. They asked us to try it out and offer our thoughts. Thoughts have been given. Opinions have been formed. Suggestions have been made.

And they've already done similar in the past. That demand for a reversion has been answered positively in the past just regarding SAM, so there is precedence.

[CelestiCer]

Waiting for SE's new Excuse " Crit/Direct-Hit " adjustments to justify Kaiten removal, which it won't...

Kaiten-Execution translates to more damage vs Miss-Execution, equals Fun because we're allowed to mess up and doing it right for a long period of time is satisfying. Showcasing that you mastered a nuance of a Job, amidst executing everything else correctly.

Trying to convince lazy players of this who

• Don't even play our Job frequently
• Don't even know what our skills do
• Don't lift a finger to master a Job
• Don't do high-end content to push a Job to it's limits
• Support simplifications while never being happy to it being simple enough

Will never be challenged to worry about messing up Job basics. Nor every incremental nuances of skill expression we would enjoy because Damage performance means nothing to them. Kaiten included. And the easier it is to do damage to these lazy players the better.

Ergo, lax attitude with the desire to support any simplification possible because they do not desire to put effort into learning, improving, even reading tooltips is a burden to heavy.


Why learn anything about PvE combat?

• Positionals
• Uptime
• Kaiten
• Raidbuff Alignment
• Slide Casting Iaijutsu
• Mechanics
• Snapshots

All meaningless to players who would rather have it all be simplified. And there's no line to be draw either on how simple u want it to the point we are left with 1/2 button gameplay to please the unpleasable masses endlessly demanding more simplifications beyond even that.

Thus, why do people support simplifications like Kaiten removal? I think it's jealousy... That even after these changes to simplify Samurai? these lazy players cannot outperform nor can they find the effort to improve vs how they see other players who do put in effort joyfully. Very " limiting " mindset.

Ironic, since the Endwalker story is about making us strive and yet we have players who want simplifications doing the opposite =u=;

Then again you can't tell how another should play, even if its by design how Square intended it. So they can complain about more simplifications because their poor arms couldn't reach the bar SE set for them to begin with.

I want Kaiten back
Just gotta accept that you'll have players who will support simplifications that will never be pleased no matter how more simple it gets, beyond their pacifier sucking mouths from knowingly or unknowingly sucking that hard at a game.

PS: If you feel spoken to as a lazy player who can't reach the bar? even at Kaiten execution? that's on you <3

[Flashy]

Celesti you've had enough of this bs huh LUL. That last sentence had me dyin laughing

[Ceridwen]

The Samurai is decidedly too simple now. If I play my Ninja, she's all over the place, I'm yelling at myself for getting something wrong, looking up guides to see what I've done wrong now. If I play the Samurai, I'm watching another screen or chatting. Honestly. There are jobs I'd prefer with a *little* more complexity. (machinist, dancer, healers with a bit more damage options) - but there are reasons for those to be less complicated. I get that. Machinist is nice for learning fights. (Ok, healers need a bit more in the dps dept) But not Samurai.

What bothers me most, still, is that it seemed like an almost perfect class, in a really good place at the start of EW. A few buttons might have been combined. THIS is just - wrong.

[Flashy]

The Samurai is decidedly too simple now. If I play my Ninja, she's all over the place, I'm yelling at myself for getting something wrong, looking up guides to see what I've done wrong now. If I play the Samurai, I'm watching another screen or chatting. Honestly. There are jobs I'd prefer with a *little* more complexity. (machinist, dancer, healers with a bit more damage options) - but there are reasons for those to be less complicated. I get that. Machinist is nice for learning fights. (Ok, healers need a bit more in the dps dept) But not Samurai.

What bothers me most, still, is that it seemed like an almost perfect class, in a really good place at the start of EW. A few buttons might have been combined. THIS is just - wrong.

I thought so too. I miss Seigan even though the current Third Eye is much stronger, the option of higanbana/midare opener, but I thought it was a direct upgrade/QoL from ShB since we just got Ogi Namikiri and charges added to our Tsubame/Meikyo, and changes to how our buffs are applied

I hate that we have to wait 4 months for answers on why they did all of this ( who knows if they even address it)

[xAFROx]

The Samurai is decidedly too simple now. If I play my Ninja, she's all over the place, I'm yelling at myself for getting something wrong, looking up guides to see what I've done wrong now. If I play the Samurai, I'm watching another screen or chatting. Honestly. There are jobs I'd prefer with a *little* more complexity. (machinist, dancer, healers with a bit more damage options) - but there are reasons for those to be less complicated. I get that. Machinist is nice for learning fights. (Ok, healers need a bit more in the dps dept) But not Samurai.

What bothers me most, still, is that it seemed like an almost perfect class, in a really good place at the start of EW. A few buttons might have been combined. THIS is just - wrong.

Exactly. But I guess that's also why they're looking to rework certain jobs. Because it was in such a good spot, they couldn't meaningfully innovate, so to 'fix' that and give us more, they had to destroy what was there. DRG is getting that exact treatment, it would seem, but they were sensible enough to wait until the next xpac now.

I hope SAM gets reverted and they can give us more of what was removed. Seigan and cone Goken. Put Senei and Guren as situational procs to go over Shinten and Kyuten, or merge them since they share a cooldown. They trim down the amount of buttons that need to be mapped and they'll find they have room for more abilities.

Here's hoping they show they listen in the next live letter

[Katsuragi_]

And if I'm being honest, Namikiri feels like a wrench thrown in there just because.

I'm pretty sure we all loved Kaiten -> Setsugekka being the climax of the rotation. (I personally already didn't care much about capping it off with Kaeshi, but it was whatever)

As stated before, the job was near-perfect. Why destroy that?

[Asari5]

yes please. bring kaiten back

[smol_cofe]

no kaiten is fucking huge as a change. I'm suprised they would ever remove that cool factor of prepping your midare plus mechanic reversal of literally never pressing a charge up of swinging your sword to being charged after swinging. it's literally backwards now.

[Ruminous]

Ain't nothing wrong with asking for our job to be fixed. They asked us to try it out and offer our thoughts. Thoughts have been given. Opinions have been formed. Suggestions have been made.

And they've already done similar in the past. That demand for a reversion has been answered positively in the past just regarding SAM, so there is precedence.

You really just have to ignore the roleplaying troll at this point. His song and dance got old a long time ago and he'll keep doing it as long as he keeps getting fed. He's been smacked down plenty of times by different people but he's either too stupid or that much of a troll because his post keep showing up when they're unwanted.