Bring Back Kaiten

[ZiraZ]

Let's apply Occom's Razer here. Either there are people who simply disagree with you as to what constitutes destruction of jobs OR there are people who pay to play a game but hate it so much, they secretly want to see it destroyed and go on the forums to see all the suffering. I'm personally going with the former.

Troll razor would be most accurate

Nah I don't like managing the eye. It is a feels bad mechanic to not go into LotD when I could. I will never understand the desire to be less powerful less frequently than your kit would enable you to be if you used resources as they became available. It's not even about complexity, it's just annoying to hold the eyes when I could be using nastrond.

You also still have positionals for wheeling thrust + fang and claw. The move that comes after will be non-directional. All this does is remove the quick step from flank to rear or rear to flank after using whichever positional you're at. It's good.

Same with removing spineshatter dive. It's just a generic dive that doesn't have a dragoon theme. It is most likely that dragonfire dive will get a 60 second cooldown and multiple charges to compensate for the loss. Which is superior thematically, for gameplay, and for animation. Spineshatter dive has a boring animation and little to no utility in trash pulls compared to dragonfire dive.

(he doesn't play this job, but good post timing right?)

[HikariKurosawa]

Troll razor would be most accurate

(he doesn't play this job, but good post timing right?)

Keep crying about people caring about different stuff than you lol. I like the rotations to actually make sense, and so does square enix. They gave us more charges of tsubame and meikyo to line up with both 60 minute and 2 minute buff windows, but it didn't happen as cleanly as they wanted it. Now they do. Same with dragoon, it is often not lining up cleanly or intuitively. Now it will.

[ZiraZ]

Keep crying about people caring about different stuff than you lol. I like the rotations to actually make sense, and so does square enix. They gave us more charges of tsubame and meikyo to line up with both 60 minute and 2 minute buff windows, but it didn't happen as cleanly as they wanted it. Now they do. Same with dragoon, it is often not lining up cleanly or intuitively. Now it will.

Have you played DRG at lvl 90?

[HikariKurosawa]

Have you played DRG at lvl 90?

I don't have to have played at level 90 to experience the effects of LotD and holding onto eyes. What a weird gatekeeper you are hahahaha. "YOU DIDN'T PLAY ALL JOBS AT 90 YOUR OPINION IS INVALID CHECK MY PROFILE I CHECKED YOURS"

I don't enjoy holding onto eyes. If I have the power of two eyes I want to use them. Why would you object to getting into LotD every 30 seconds anyway? It's just more nastrond and more consistency. Do you even like playing the game or do you just want to show how flexible you are and how elite you are at optimization?

This game is designed for fun, it's not a job.

[ZiraZ]

I don't have to have played at level 90 to experience the effects of LotD and holding onto eyes. What a weird gatekeeper you are hahahaha. "YOU DIDN'T PLAY ALL JOBS AT 90 YOUR OPINION IS INVALID CHECK MY PROFILE I CHECKED YOURS"

I don't enjoy holding onto eyes. If I have the power of two eyes I want to use them. Why would you object to getting into LotD every 30 seconds anyway? It's just more nastrond and more consistency. Do you even like playing the game or do you just want to show how flexible you are and how elite you are at optimization?

This game is designed for fun, it's not a job.

Thought so, you have no clue what you're talking about and every post you make on every single thread regarding any job comes purely from a place of hatred and bitterness towards anything resembling complexity, optimization, uniqueness and the 'elite' boogeymen. Even jobs you have zero interest playing, they must be brought down, and if people don't agree then they are using 3rd party scripts and are weebs for liking kaiten animation.

[HikariKurosawa]

Thought so, you have no clue what you're talking about and every post you make on every single thread regarding any job comes purely from a place of hatred and bitterness towards anything resembling complexity, optimization, uniqueness and the 'elite' boogeymen. Even jobs you have zero interest playing, they must be brought down, and if people don't agree then they are using 3rd party scripts and are weebs for liking kaiten animation.

Awh you're trying so hard to push a narrative.

[Zolvolt]

Thought so, you have no clue what you're talking about and every post you make on every single thread regarding any job comes purely from a place of hatred and bitterness towards anything resembling complexity, optimization, uniqueness and the 'elite' boogeymen. Even jobs you have zero interest playing, they must be brought down, and if people don't agree then they are using 3rd party scripts and are weebs for liking kaiten animation.

To be fair, most people who claim theres any job complexity in this game don't know what job complexity even is. Every job in this game is easy to play and easy to optimize with. Thats what happens when you design a modern actionbar GCD mmo with a playstation controller in mind. I hate this arguement that "you feel x way because you don't like complicated jobs, or optimizations or x y z high player thing"

It's a bit much because ffxiv are some of the easier to play classes across all major mmo's right now. They are extremely simple, you only have one way to properly play the classes with very few exceptions (blm I am looking at you) and many of the jobs share multiple abilities. I mean honestly look at energy drain on scholar. People clutch their pearls for energy drain optimization being the only thing that makes scholar "difficult" or "challenging". It's an absolute joke how simple of a mechanic that is. FF14 classes are not complicated in anyways. Their optimizations are just the only thing people have to look forward to doing. When you go into a new raid you don't get excited for "how many new ways can I play my job" you get excited for the new mechanics you have to adjust to. In other mmo's you have to actually play your class differently and with different abilities depending on the encounter.

Hearing "my complexity! my optimizations!" is so tiring because, really, how hard must video games be for people if ff14 classes are considered complex or challenging