Bring Back Kaiten

[RyuuZero]

As a non sam player I am quite confused why SE chose to remove it now when there isn't anything to replace it. I do understand like the idea of making space for future expansion skills but then why not just wait until then. Without them giving their reasoning on this I have to say the decision feels immensely disconnected to the playerbase.

My suspicion is that it was the most used skill and had the least Kenki Cost, can be easily conpensated with potency boosts and then we played it and hated it, since Kenki was stripped from it's original purpose and now is just there to gatekeep filler attacks.. great trade off.. *sarcasm*

I play multiple alts aswell, though those I also play samurai on are on pause, since I will not subject myself to this weak limb excuse of the 6.1 Samurai Playstyle for a long amount of time beyond my Main..
and the sad part is that I wanted to complete all Endwalker side quests on my Kitty's Samurai, who I dressed her in the 2B Glamour + 2B Hairstyle + Pod Minion + Pod Mount.. but NOPE ><"

[Engaru]

Another patch without Kaiten.

[Keichi]

And where is the problem?
They would need to remove all the other things that came with removing this one skill.

Kaiten was taking away. Mean, one skill lesser to have a focus. In exchange gave they some skills auto direct/crit hit. That should be enough and a fair trade.

[Martynek]

And where is the problem?
They would need to remove all the other things that came with removing this one skill.

Kaiten was taking away. Mean, one skill lesser to have a focus. In exchange gave they some skills auto direct/crit hit. That should be enough and a fair trade.

Nobody wanted the fucking auto crit (it's not an auto direct hit, learn to read your tooltips) in the first place.

Yeah, sure, we'll take that trade! We'll lose something we never asked for anyway, and we'll get back the thing that defined the job! Great. Good. Glad we're in agreement.

[CelestiCer]

And where is the problem?
They would need to remove all the other things that came with removing this one skill.

Kaiten was taking away. Mean, one skill lesser to have a focus. In exchange gave they some skills auto direct/crit hit. That should be enough and a fair trade.

Lets remove Leylines, Fellcleave, FireIV, Broil, Glare, Lifesurge, Brotherhood, Trickattack etc because => by your logic " One skill less to focus on ". Just cause a Job performs in numbers doesn't mean it got reduced in gameplay by pruning our abilities. Not that I don't have fun on my SAM, I just don't enjoy it as much now with Kaiten removal.

[Flashy]

And where is the problem?
They would need to remove all the other things that came with removing this one skill.

Kaiten was taking away. Mean, one skill lesser to have a focus. In exchange gave they some skills auto direct/crit hit. That should be enough and a fair trade.

A fair trade would be giving us a new skill to replace Kaiten because, at least from my understanding, the reasoning behind kaiten's removal was that it was too restrictive of a skill for the developers to design around going into the new expansion (7.0)

Good damage is not a replacement for good gameplay. This was not a fair trade

[RyuuZero]

I recently had a thesis how to explain Kaiten from a general Aikidoka perspective: Breath, Kaiten was an ability to emulate active breathing techniques of the Samurai. In order enhance your Attacks, Throws* (* in Aikido) and Slashes effectiveness, you have to breath into them, every single one. Which Kaiten perfectly emulated. Prepare a Big Attack, take a Breath and Slash! Taking a Breath was Kaiten and it made everything the Samurai did feel so much better, which is why we all wanted this Gameplay Aspect to be preserved!

Without Kaiten the FFXIV Samurai cannot Breath into their attacks to make them stronger.

[RyuuZero]

1. of course Kaiten has to return, though I think Auto-Crit won't go away it shall be okay, my initial Idea would be that Kaiten makes the next weaponskill will be Direct Hit, thus making Kaiten Midare/Ogi Direct-Crit and it still rewards Good Resource Management that way.
   
2. Tsubamegaeshi, since Tsubamegaeshi doesn't contribute to meditation stacks anymore and Ogi Namikiri turning into it's Tsubamegaeshi version within the same button.
   I really do not see why Tsubamegaeshi shouldn't a trait to Iaijutsu. "but wouldn't be Iaijutsu too similar to Ogi?" The Difference between Iaijutsu and Ogi would be that you still have to prepare Iaijutsu, will Ogi will be triggered by using Ikishoten as Ogi Trigger.
   
3. The Following Idea came from the Forum User xAFROx
   Ikishoten turning Shinten to Senei and Kyuten to Guren as Trigger.
   I love that Idea since it's how I use those Skills anyway. 1 trigger for 2 skills, nice

Point 2. and 3. would free up 3 Buttons! reintroduce Kaiten and add an Single Target Ogi (because 7.0) and I could play on my Default Single Target Interface without Macros!
[EDIT] Cone Tenka Goken has to return aswell! a Lone Cone on 2minutes doesn't make any sense at all

[Quor]

A fair trade would be giving us a new skill to replace Kaiten because, at least from my understanding, the reasoning behind kaiten's removal was that it was too restrictive of a skill for the developers to design around going into the new expansion (7.0)

Good damage is not a replacement for good gameplay. This was not a fair trade

This is a key aspect that's often overlooked using the "muh damage" argument; the Kaiten change wasn't a change, it was a removal. It was entirely reductive. They removed it simply because balancing around it was deemed to be too difficult. I think the SAM community at large would have been ok with the removal of Kaiten if something else with a similar playstyle feel had been added in it's place AND if the change had been at a more appropriate time, i.e. when switching from one xpac to the next. I think if these two criteria had been met then things would have been received with a more accepting approach. Most SAM's, myself included, would have certainly been willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt.

But that didn't happen and here we are.