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  1. #1
    Player
    Flatopia's Avatar
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    Character
    Vavali Vali
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    The fact that people say it's a support but don't realize how bad it's support is.
    Fan Dance is the best one. 10% DR. It's only okay, but it's easily the best.
    Starfall gives 10% recast buff, but that's really not NEAR as much as you might think. You're lucky if you can shave off two seconds. Maybe.
    Saber Dance needs to use two of your 4 dashes, which is where the strength of dancer is supposed to be. So use HALF of your only mobility option, just for a slightly underwhelming nuke and 10% damage buff. 10%, again, not much. Saber dance does 12,000 potency if it hits single target. 10% turns that into... 13,200. It only lasts ten seconds, and again it needs dancers precious mobility to use it.
    Curing waltz is actually good. Dashing up to your DP and giving a little more than a recoup. Nice. Good job on this one imo.
    Honing dance does no fucking damage, and gives an anemic shield which takes 5 seconds to use. That is only worth using because you legitimately have nothing better to use. It's pathetic. It's BEST use is trying to find invisible ninjas. That's it.
    The fucking LB. Oh boy. It sounds nasty, but the cast time is so big you can just leave the aoe, stun the dancer and make them waste their lb, or just fucking kill them outright since they can no longer move or heal. Even if it goes off, a conditional GCD and a half of CC that you're animation locked for a second of. So you need to LB, then IMMEDIATELY honing dance and hope you hit everyone for the four seconds CC, that you are not allowed to take advantage of at all, and then pray to God that your randomly assigned team is smart enough/coordinated enough/ of a proper composition to be able to take advantage of a single button press for free against the enemy. Sometimes, only BARELY a button press if they're early in their GCD spinning.

    Dancer is pathetic. It's the worst job in PVP with no contest. They do nothing. Their support is a joke, their damage is worthless, their survivability and kiting potential goes away when you remember every melee has gap closers, CC, or gap closers with CC to immediately catch any dancer trying to run. I have no clue how they tested this and thought it was fine. It's horrible on paper, and horrible in practice.
    Dancer's best function, and I wish I was joking, is to dash through enemies to hopefully take their potions away during team fights. That's it.
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    Curing Waltz is old and busted. The new hotness is Benediction Boogie. Make it happen, Squeenix!

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    Character
    Avatre Drakone
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    DNC is borderline melee now. Less than 1/3 the range we used to have, and tanks can pull us from farther than we can actually attack.
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    Character
    Alex Flowerchild
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    My winrate with dancer is by far higher than my 5 other jobs that I play. Dancer does a lot of AOE damage with utility on the side. The LB is great too. saber dance hits for 12k. People need to read their tooltips because the classes don't just play themselves.
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    Angrypillow Duvall
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    It's kind of hilarious they made the DNC range so short.
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    Character
    Rael Norende
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Imo the jobs that need buffs the most are:
    1. BLM
    2. DNC
    3. GNB

    Of those three, I main GNB so I am a little biased, but I honestly think these three jobs are throwing. When I queue up as GNB in Platinum, I feel like I'm borderline throwing.
    When I see a BLM or DNC in the opposing team (regardless of what job I myself am playing), I feel like I'm not threatened by them at all.
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    Character
    Jaune Khione
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rael_Norende View Post
    Imo the jobs that need buffs the most are:
    1. BLM
    2. DNC
    3. GNB

    Of those three, I main GNB so I am a little biased, but I honestly think these three jobs are throwing. When I queue up as GNB in Platinum, I feel like I'm borderline throwing.
    When I see a BLM or DNC in the opposing team (regardless of what job I myself am playing), I feel like I'm not threatened by them at all.
    BLM doesn't need a buff they jstu got one in teh last rotation of PVP buffs. IF they buff it more then they should lose their umbral deep freeze
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    Character
    Sunie Dakwhil
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    DNC is a peculiar job with no clearly cut out role (ranged or melee), with a simple toolkit that doesn't clearly lays out a path for the player to follow intuitively and as a result it becomes a job where the difficulty doesn't lie in mastering the kit, but in the subtleties of knowing what to do with it and how to play it. This is exactly why the job underperforms at lower ranks because most people have no clue what to do with it, and this combines poorly with the fact that its LB is not only the most demanding to execute (requires to expose yourself and stand still with no defense whatsover for ages, keep an eye open for hard counters, keep an eye open for the LB state of every other player in the game, be a good judge if your team is actually gonna be able to take advantage of your LB, and many more factors), but also that at low ranks people have no idea of what a coordinated burst is and will rarely fully take advantage of it anyway, often resulting in the LB just flopping alone.

    This results in the exact opposite of SAM, which is a job that gets a lot of results at lower ranks because of its big hits and its LB, where in counterpart it underperforms at higher level: DNC sucks as low level and works very well at higher level provided the player knows what they're doing. On DNC at low level you need to literally abuse cleaves, AOE and Honing to apply so much pressure on people that have no positioning awareness to literally make up for your LB being literally gambling on whether your team is going to take advantage of it or not.
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    Last edited by Valence; 09-10-2024 at 04:16 PM.

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    Altria Pendragons
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Dancer is a job depends on one's skill
    It is either you are a God or you are a punchbag.
    It does not need a buff unless their LB is changed or can be purify.
    Yes, you CAN NOT PURIFY Reaper's Hysteria and DNC's LB
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    Jaune Khione
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    Lamia
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Dancer is a job depends on one's skill
    It is either you are a God or you are a punchbag.
    It does not need a buff unless their LB is changed or can be purify.
    Yes, you CAN NOT PURIFY Reaper's Hysteria and DNC's LB
    I have seen DNC take over a game because their PLD has kept them alive. As if with any job who can be kept alive they can deal damage and get their LB quickly. DNC to me feels so team relient
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury_Grey View Post
    I have seen DNC take over a game because their PLD has kept them alive. As if with any job who can be kept alive they can deal damage and get their LB quickly. DNC to me feels so team relient
    It is and that is what makes DNC one of the strongest under current PvP environment.
    Entire Frontline and CC is team-oriented and one man army is a thing of the past.
    If a player is unable to accept the fact DNC is a support, this player is playing the wrong job
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