To Devs about Adventurer Plates

[Ath192]

How would you handle the case where somebody set their profile private? Regardless the only thing "needed" is a way to commend folks that have already left the instance and a list of names and classes is enough to accomplish that.

Given the concerns of people here I would propose the following:

There should be the ability in the system settings for UI to opt out of the commendation system like there is a toggle for the “skip previously viewed cutscenes”, similarly setting your calling card to will private will do the same.

In this case on the revamped commendation screen only the profiles set to public will be eligible to get commended/commend. Since commendations are social events it stands to reason those unwilling to be social wouldn’t want to participate to begin with. It would also stop bothering those who want to save one second on loading to the overworld.

Likewise the only optional yet somewhat core of commendation functionality is for mentors (whether this is effective or not is another topic) and being a mentor is (or according to an ideal world) a person open to the public to help out.

So as far as I can see it provides an out for those who don’t want to be social while similarly incentivizing the adoption of a public calling card.

[Kes13a]

Given the concerns of people here I would propose the following:

There should be the ability in the system settings for UI to opt out of the commendation system like there is a toggle for the “skip previously viewed cutscenes”, similarly setting your calling card to will private will do the same.

In this case on the revamped commendation screen only the profiles set to public will be eligible to get commended/commend. Since commendations are social events it stands to reason those unwilling to be social wouldn’t want to participate to begin with. It would also stop bothering those who want to save one second on loading to the overworld.

Likewise the only optional yet somewhat core of commendation functionality is for mentors (whether this is effective or not is another topic) and being a mentor is (or according to an ideal world) a person open to the public to help out.

So as far as I can see it provides an out for those who don’t want to be social while similarly incentivizing the adoption of a public calling card.

so, according to this, you are wanting to force people to use the feature in order to get commendations? just because I havent set up a plate does not mean I or someone else is less social. means I do not see it as a useful feature to put my time into. I appreciate its there, but doesnt mean I need to use it to play the game. but in your plan, I HAVE to use it, and not only use it, but have to be public to do so.

you can be very social without baring your details to the general universe.

[Ath192]

so, according to this, you are wanting to force people to use the feature in order to get commendations? just because I havent set up a plate does not mean I or someone else is less social. means I do not see it as a useful feature to put my time into. I appreciate its there, but doesnt mean I need to use it to play the game. but in your plan, I HAVE to use it, and not only use it, but have to be public to do so.

you can be very social without baring your details to the general universe.

I’m afraid you have tapped into too niche of a user base to design for them. This is speculation but I would wager the amount of players that would want commendations but would not want their players showing would be minimal at best. So yeah, my opinion on the matter stands. It’s okay if you don’t like it.

Wording has a lot of power though. So likewise I want an updated modern freshened up commendation system, where you view it as forcing people to adapt to change.

Both of these of true so it’s a matter of how each user decides to paint the subject.

[Kes13a]

I’m afraid you have tapped into too niche of a user base to design for them. This is speculation but I would wager the amount of players that would want commendations but would not want their players showing would be minimal at best. So yeah, my opinion on the matter stands. It’s okay if you don’t like it.

so great that you feel everyone in the player base agrees with you

however, I hate to tell you this.. but unless you actually change it, its default is private I believe. which means that people who dont touch it... are set to private. so may not be as "niche" as you believe it is. not everyone is going to put the time in, or find them as useful... as you yourself may think.

never said I dont like the plates, I just have little use for it so havent touched it. huge difference there, and I doubt I am that niche

[IkaraGreydancer]

Not needed at all. Don't really care

[IkaraGreydancer]

Depending on how wide-spread the crotch/butt profiles become, I wonder if the devs will make it so that the camera can't go below the waist? Which will be unfortunate since there are some nice full-body profiles that I saw in PvP. People say that this is a family-friendly mmo and that we have to keep in mind that children also play this game too.

In all seriousness I don't see why they would change how the portraits work already, the photo has to show your face to be accepted. And I don't to much care for the "think of the kids" argument as thats the parents job not mine. If Miqo butt in 2Bs bottoms is a no no for you you're playing the wrong game

[Tsukino]

Whether you like them or not, it seems like there are already plans to add them to more things, though not commendations specifically. From the patch notes:

Such portraits are used to introduce players at the start of various duties. As of Patch 6.1, they are used to introduce combatants at the beginning of Crystalline Conflict PvP matches.

Makes it sound a lot like they'll appear at the start of things like dungeons at some point in the future, but are only in PvP right now.

[Ath192]

Whether you like them or not, it seems like there are already plans to add them to more things, though not commendations specifically. From the patch notes: Makes it sound a lot like they'll appear at the start of things like dungeons at some point in the future, but are only in PvP right now.

That’s fine, I’d welcome that change. I know the commendation system is sometimes obscure and relatively out of the way so I thought it was a way to freshen it up but if it gets introduced at the beginning like it does for PVP I’d be down. That’s pretty cool.

[Fyrebrand]

Sounds like a fun idea at face value, and I do wish they would adjust the commendation system so that you can still vote for players even after they've left the dungeon. However...

Then, people will actively be very interested in making their plates as cool as possible.

I'm not sure I like the idea of Adventurer Plate design or character portraits influencing commendations, either positively or negatively. Granted, players can already commend for pretty arbitrary things like character name or appearance, but I feel like this would just exacerbate that and bring it to the forefront. It could even tacitly suggest that voting for "best Adventurer Plate" is actually the intended purpose of comms.

[Ath192]

Sounds like a fun idea at face value, and I do wish they would adjust the commendation system so that you can still vote for players even after they've left the dungeon. However...



I'm not sure I like the idea of Adventurer Plate design or character portraits influencing commendations, either positively or negatively. Granted, players can already commend for pretty arbitrary things like character name or appearance, but I feel like this would just exacerbate that and bring it to the forefront. It could even tacitly suggest that voting for "best Adventurer Plate" is actually the intended purpose of comms.

Unfortunately it is already that way. By design I might add. Since the game refuses to measure performance of players at the end of the dungeon commendations go to either people who were pleasant and chill, glamours, or someone who hard carried so much it was impossible to ignore.

Also, since commendations don’t serve a huge purpose I think the developers intend them to be for whatever they want the users to interpret as commendable, and if a player put the extra work into making a real cool plate then maybe that is the drop that tips the scale.

So I don’t necessarily view that possibility as an issue and rather as a fact of life. Commendations can happen for anything.