Thread: Revelations from Patch 6.1

Originally Posted by Denishia

Shadowbringers explained this: Yes, when the First was being consumed by Light Aether, on the Source the same elemental type of Calamity was occurring with Black Rose. (This also makes Heavensward and Thordan's Ascian-supported attempt to become a Light-themed Primal to wipe out the dragons and try to conqueror Eorzea make sense - Black Rose was the back-up plan.) When Igheryorm caused the 13th Shard to be consumed by Darkness, the other Ascians hadn't caused an equal Darkness Calamity on the Source, so the 13th just sits there.

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

Originally Posted by Jandor

It has to be timed right. The Source has to be primed and ready to recieve the flood of aspected aether from the designated shard, otherwise that aether has nowhere to go and just ruins the shard instead.

Once it's ruined it's ruined, you can't turn a pile of ashes back into the tree it once was (well maybe we can, depends where the story goes I suppose. The Ascians never figured it out though, that much is certain.)

Considering what Golbez said about redeeming the star, I suspect part of Season 2 maybe about reversing the corruption on the 13th. Not to mention if Golbez and the 4 elemental lords are the main antagonist of Season 2 then we basically have one main antagonist per expansion for the next 10 years.

The other part is maybe about showing us the process of the 13th becoming what it is now. We know the simple version of what happened but there is always something more complicated.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Considering what Golbez said about redeeming the star, I suspect part of Season 2 maybe about reversing the corruption on the 13th. Not to mention if Golbez and the 4 elemental lords are the main antagonist of Season 2 then we basically have one main antagonist per expansion for the next 10 years.

The other part is maybe about showing us the process of the 13th becoming what it is now. We know the simple version of what happened but there is always something more complicated.

I highly doubt there going to have the Lords each be a big bad of there own expansion. Frankly I doubt they survive to 7.0

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

i dont think itd work. might be wrong but you would have to rebalance the thirteenth then cause another simultaneous calamity.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

We did have a Dark-aspected Calamity: the Seventh, ie Bahamut. Which had been described as "all elements aspected astrally" in sources like the first lorebook, and with what we learned in Shadowbringers, this means Darkness-aspected.

So the Ascians did try with another shard and succeeded, which also implies they knew the Thirteenth was un-rejoinable, due to the Source not having been primed at the same time.

I don't think we actually know why the Ascians chose to do the Calamities in the exact elemental order they did. But given it just happens to match the elemental wheel we know and apply to basically everything aether-related, I suspect it's a fundamental law of the universe, and the Ascians had to work that out themselves.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

Because it is a Void. As in it's devoid of aether. It was so astrally charged that the aether went haywire until none was left save for what the survivors had already absorbed themselves. At least that's my reading of the situation with that shard.