Thread: Revelations from Patch 6.1

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

i dont think itd work. might be wrong but you would have to rebalance the thirteenth then cause another simultaneous calamity.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

We did have a Dark-aspected Calamity: the Seventh, ie Bahamut. Which had been described as "all elements aspected astrally" in sources like the first lorebook, and with what we learned in Shadowbringers, this means Darkness-aspected.

So the Ascians did try with another shard and succeeded, which also implies they knew the Thirteenth was un-rejoinable, due to the Source not having been primed at the same time.

I don't think we actually know why the Ascians chose to do the Calamities in the exact elemental order they did. But given it just happens to match the elemental wheel we know and apply to basically everything aether-related, I suspect it's a fundamental law of the universe, and the Ascians had to work that out themselves.

Originally Posted by Jandor

It has to be timed right. The Source has to be primed and ready to recieve the flood of aspected aether from the designated shard, otherwise that aether has nowhere to go and just ruins the shard instead.

Once it's ruined it's ruined, you can't turn a pile of ashes back into the tree it once was (well maybe we can, depends where the story goes I suppose. The Ascians never figured it out though, that much is certain.)

Considering what Golbez said about redeeming the star, I suspect part of Season 2 maybe about reversing the corruption on the 13th. Not to mention if Golbez and the 4 elemental lords are the main antagonist of Season 2 then we basically have one main antagonist per expansion for the next 10 years.

The other part is maybe about showing us the process of the 13th becoming what it is now. We know the simple version of what happened but there is always something more complicated.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Considering what Golbez said about redeeming the star, I suspect part of Season 2 maybe about reversing the corruption on the 13th. Not to mention if Golbez and the 4 elemental lords are the main antagonist of Season 2 then we basically have one main antagonist per expansion for the next 10 years.

The other part is maybe about showing us the process of the 13th becoming what it is now. We know the simple version of what happened but there is always something more complicated.

I highly doubt there going to have the Lords each be a big bad of there own expansion. Frankly I doubt they survive to 7.0

I am curious about what this mentioned "war" for the 13th's redemption entails.

Do they intend to go to war with the Source, or is it a conflict between voidsent factions? We do know they have a "might makes right" sort of pecking order, but there's been no real indication of them having an actual society still, and there is evidently a divide in that some of them still want to save their world, while the majority seem to just be intent on invading the Source and its shards instead...though those goals need not be mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't recall it ever being officially billed that way. Fans have just been latching onto the idea that "they said they were ending the Hydaelyn and Zodiark storyline in 6.0 so 6.1 must be a fully fresh start for newbies" – which simply isn't the case.

I just meant comments by Yoshida in interviews and live letters. Ok technically not everything he says is an official statement. Briefly, we knew 6.1 would start a new story instead of the usual post-xpac loose ends that take until X.3 to finish up, like ending the dragonsong war. We also knew that 6.1 would be a potential alternate starting point for new players and, while that's not the case now, it is something he will consider enabling later.

So my opinion: wouldn't it make sense to go with mostly new travel companions for this new journey since players may want to start their ffxiv story here. I was expecting the old scions to be mostly out of the way working on things separately aside from some guest appearances. Well most of them did step aside for now, but some didn't.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

Because it is a Void. As in it's devoid of aether. It was so astrally charged that the aether went haywire until none was left save for what the survivors had already absorbed themselves. At least that's my reading of the situation with that shard.

Originally Posted by Mieck

Hm, there is that. Although, time on each shard would seem to flow at a steady rate, so ten thousand years to the people of the Thirteenth would always be ten thousand years.

If I had written myself into this place where a wibbly-wobbly time was justified to sort out the discrepancy of several months on the Source versus 100 years on the First, then I would just have all shards equalise on a long enough timeline. They might speed up and slow down relative to each other, but at a fixed point they'd all come out at the same number of years. Just for the sake of not having to wrestle 14 different relative timelines.

Yeah, I kind of hand wave the whole "time flows differently" thing on the large scale too, cause it just makes the lore inconvenient.

Another timeline thing I noticed this patch was in the datalog.
It specifies that when Xande first rose to power 6,000 years ago, it was fresh off of the 3rd Calamity.
Not sure if that was ever revealed before.

Originally Posted by SilverArrow20XX

Another timeline thing I noticed this patch was in the datalog.
It specifies that when Xande first rose to power 6,000 years ago, it was fresh off of the 3rd Calamity.
Not sure if that was ever revealed before.

The original Xande leading civilization out of the Third Umbral Era into the Third Astral Era was in the first lorebook, but the number of "6,000 years ago" is new, at least in my recollection. It might be extrapolated from the various Allagan-related dialogues and texts in-game, but there's so many of them that I don't even want to think about attempting to collate it into any sort of order.