Thread: Revelations from Patch 6.1

Originally Posted by Denishia

Shadowbringers explained this: Yes, when the First was being consumed by Light Aether, on the Source the same elemental type of Calamity was occurring with Black Rose. (This also makes Heavensward and Thordan's Ascian-supported attempt to become a Light-themed Primal to wipe out the dragons and try to conqueror Eorzea make sense - Black Rose was the back-up plan.) When Igheryorm caused the 13th Shard to be consumed by Darkness, the other Ascians hadn't caused an equal Darkness Calamity on the Source, so the 13th just sits there.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, so I must have missed this. Not surprising. xD Thank you so much for explaining it.

Originally Posted by Denishia

Shadowbringers explained this: Yes, when the First was being consumed by Light Aether, on the Source the same elemental type of Calamity was occurring with Black Rose. (This also makes Heavensward and Thordan's Ascian-supported attempt to become a Light-themed Primal to wipe out the dragons and try to conqueror Eorzea make sense - Black Rose was the back-up plan.) When Igheryorm caused the 13th Shard to be consumed by Darkness, the other Ascians hadn't caused an equal Darkness Calamity on the Source, so the 13th just sits there.

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

Originally Posted by Jandor

It has to be timed right. The Source has to be primed and ready to recieve the flood of aspected aether from the designated shard, otherwise that aether has nowhere to go and just ruins the shard instead.

Once it's ruined it's ruined, you can't turn a pile of ashes back into the tree it once was (well maybe we can, depends where the story goes I suppose. The Ascians never figured it out though, that much is certain.)

Considering what Golbez said about redeeming the star, I suspect part of Season 2 maybe about reversing the corruption on the 13th. Not to mention if Golbez and the 4 elemental lords are the main antagonist of Season 2 then we basically have one main antagonist per expansion for the next 10 years.

The other part is maybe about showing us the process of the 13th becoming what it is now. We know the simple version of what happened but there is always something more complicated.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

i dont think itd work. might be wrong but you would have to rebalance the thirteenth then cause another simultaneous calamity.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

We did have a Dark-aspected Calamity: the Seventh, ie Bahamut. Which had been described as "all elements aspected astrally" in sources like the first lorebook, and with what we learned in Shadowbringers, this means Darkness-aspected.

So the Ascians did try with another shard and succeeded, which also implies they knew the Thirteenth was un-rejoinable, due to the Source not having been primed at the same time.

I don't think we actually know why the Ascians chose to do the Calamities in the exact elemental order they did. But given it just happens to match the elemental wheel we know and apply to basically everything aether-related, I suspect it's a fundamental law of the universe, and the Ascians had to work that out themselves.

Originally Posted by Lium

One thing I never quite understood about this is that if the 13th is just sitting there, would a dark-aspected calamity on the Source have caused it to Rejoin? If so, why didn't the Ascians ever go back and try to do that? They said the 13th was just a Void and useless and made it sound like it could never be Rejoined.

Because it is a Void. As in it's devoid of aether. It was so astrally charged that the aether went haywire until none was left save for what the survivors had already absorbed themselves. At least that's my reading of the situation with that shard.

I am curious about what this mentioned "war" for the 13th's redemption entails.

Do they intend to go to war with the Source, or is it a conflict between voidsent factions? We do know they have a "might makes right" sort of pecking order, but there's been no real indication of them having an actual society still, and there is evidently a divide in that some of them still want to save their world, while the majority seem to just be intent on invading the Source and its shards instead...though those goals need not be mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't recall it ever being officially billed that way. Fans have just been latching onto the idea that "they said they were ending the Hydaelyn and Zodiark storyline in 6.0 so 6.1 must be a fully fresh start for newbies" – which simply isn't the case.

I just meant comments by Yoshida in interviews and live letters. Ok technically not everything he says is an official statement. Briefly, we knew 6.1 would start a new story instead of the usual post-xpac loose ends that take until X.3 to finish up, like ending the dragonsong war. We also knew that 6.1 would be a potential alternate starting point for new players and, while that's not the case now, it is something he will consider enabling later.

So my opinion: wouldn't it make sense to go with mostly new travel companions for this new journey since players may want to start their ffxiv story here. I was expecting the old scions to be mostly out of the way working on things separately aside from some guest appearances. Well most of them did step aside for now, but some didn't.

I do know there is a node that gives a 5,0000 mark for I'd say since the end of Allag as it says something like it's been 5,000 years since a great wyrm broke free of it's containment and nothing has been done about it. I want to say it's near the docking bay.