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    Patch Notes 6.1

    Dragoon looks okay to me. A light touch, one button went away. Sounds good to me. I look foward to try to jump even more AOEs now that I have a btter chance of getting out of them.

    Overall sounds like a nice update for me. I hope it also shakes out that way while playing it.
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    Having Wanderer's Minuet turn into Pitch Perfect annoys the hell outta me. I use WM once every two minutes, I don't need to cast it frequently so it doesn't need to stay on my main hotbar and can instead be grouped with Mage's Ballad and Army's Paeon on hotbar 2. Pitch Perfect on the other hand is an ability that gets frequent usage when I'm in WM and thus it's on my first hotbar and within easy reach. I want those two separate so I can keep my hotbars organized (Songs grouped and out of the way, low cooldown oGCDs grouped and accessible), but that's gone to shit. It seems like a minor thing on paper but it's gonna bug the hell outta me and I hope they revert it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beddict View Post
    Having Wanderer's Minuet turn into Pitch Perfect annoys the hell outta me. I use WM once every two minutes, I don't need to cast it frequently so it doesn't need to stay on my main hotbar and can instead be grouped with Mage's Ballad and Army's Paeon on hotbar 2. Pitch Perfect on the other hand is an ability that gets frequent usage when I'm in WM and thus it's on my first hotbar and within easy reach. I want those two separate so I can keep my hotbars organized (Songs grouped and out of the way, low cooldown oGCDs grouped and accessible), but that's gone to shit. It seems like a minor thing on paper but it's gonna bug the hell outta me and I hope they revert it.
    Nothing's stopping you from putting the PerfectMinuet button in both places while other people who want to save a bar space save a bar space. This change 100% does not need a reversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Nothing's stopping you from putting the PerfectMinuet button in both places while other people who want to save a bar space save a bar space.
    Unless they change it to one of those "This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar" skills. In which case everyone will be forced into using the new keybind.

    To clarify, I'm happy with most instances of hotkey consolidation, where one skill turns into another. If they had changed Ikishoten to Ogi Namikiri on SAM, for example, I would have been happy. It makes sense in cases like that where a skill is only usable once another has been used, and is used on a long cooldown. Wanderer's Minuet and Perfect Pitch is an example of button consolidation I do NOT want to see. Perfect Pitch is used frequently during the 43-45 second Minuet window, and acts essentially like another Bloodletter/Empyreal Arrow oGCD that's weaved regularly. I want to put it in the same general area as those two on my hotbar, not in my song section which otherwise only sees action 3 times every 120 seconds.
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    Last edited by YukiB; 04-11-2022 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YukiB View Post
    Unless they change it to one of those "This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar" skills. In which case everyone will be forced into using the new keybind.
    You can still put the one action in two different hotbar slots. Nobody is being forced to use a single button for both Minuet and Perfect Pitch.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 04-11-2022 at 08:50 PM.
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    '' Hide Now dispels the effect of Doton upon execution. ''

    Wat, WHY?
    The Mudra reset was so much fun ((((((((.

    I guess to make it no longer viable in the opener?
    It was so enjoyable in AoE tho...

    Edit:

    Translation from the Stream just now.

    '' YoshiP for now wants players to play the changes to the job first and then post their feedback in OF so that YoshiP can review on them and made changes (or revert them, depending on the response). Do note that your comment matters, because what you post WILL influence how the job direction will do in the future. ''

    Yoshida said he will think on the SAM issue.
    Chat ain't happy... And they're ofc reading it.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 04-11-2022 at 09:17 PM.

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    Not only did they go through with removing Hissatsu: Kaiten, they also nerfed the damage of Midare Setsugekka and Ogi Namikiri. Holy shit.

    Including the extra 200 potency from the 20 kenki we don't spend on Kaiten (assuming it's spend on Shinten instead), this is a SLIGHT potency increase on non-Kaeshi Midare Setsugekka, from an average 1138.5 potency to 1160 in BiS raid gear with 25% crit chance and 60% crit magnitude. But including Kaeshi, which did not require 20 kenki for a Kaiten cast, it's a nerf from an average 2277 potency to 2120. That's a 7.5% nerf to one of our biggest burst window GCD combos.

    Ogi Namikiri, which is always used with its Kaeshi counterpart, is a nerf from an average 3105 to 2760. That's 12.5%!

    This gap only widens under any sort of crit raid buff, as these skills no longer benefit from them. The extra 20% crit chance from Devilment, for example, would buff the average Ogi/Kaeshi combo to 3429 potency, 24% more than the one in 6.1.

    A guaranteed crit Midare Setsugekka in 6.1 is going to do less damage than a basic, non-crit Kaiten-buffed Midare from 6.0. It's almost like they don't understand why SAM is fun.
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    I was wrong they DID remove Kaiten...........
    I dunno wtf they're thinking but I hate it, cmon guys...
    Take a hint devs, I dunno why they'd go through with such a change met with so much overwhelming negativity.
    It's not just basically everywhere but also big creators and Streamers too everyone basically came together and said '' this is shit ''.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beddict View Post
    Having Wanderer's Minuet turn into Pitch Perfect annoys the hell outta me. I use WM once every two minutes, I don't need to cast it frequently so it doesn't need to stay on my main hotbar and can instead be grouped with Mage's Ballad and Army's Paeon on hotbar 2. Pitch Perfect on the other hand is an ability that gets frequent usage when I'm in WM and thus it's on my first hotbar and within easy reach. I want those two separate so I can keep my hotbars organized (Songs grouped and out of the way, low cooldown oGCDs grouped and accessible), but that's gone to shit. It seems like a minor thing on paper but it's gonna bug the hell outta me and I hope they revert it.
    You may be able to keep it separate. On gunbreaker you can keep the continuation weaponskills on separate buttons despite the 6.0 changes.
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    Well, they massacred Samurai. Guess it's time for Reapers to shine again.
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