Thread: 6.1 Samurai thoughts after getting to try them out in-game (please revert asap)

Also made a forum account to post, never did so before. So here I go.

This just ain't it. When I read Kaiten was being removed and potency's adjusted, I expected some small nerfs to things that were effected by Kaiten, such as

Ogi Namikiri reduced from 900 to 800
Midare Setsugekka reduced 660 to 600

So okay, yea those weren't to bad, Kaiten effected them

but these??? They weren't effected by Kaiten?

Kaeshi: Namikiri 1350 TO 800
Kaeshi: Setsugekka 990 TO 600

I was expecting something around 1350 to 1200 and 990 to 850 but instead they got gutted. SAM then got other weaponskills and abilities nerfed/buffed by small minute amounts that were or weren't affected by Kaiten, that looks to be in attempt to shift that damage loss from our big hitters to combo generators so now our big hitting abilities....feel like a wet noodle which is what it felt like SAM was all about.

I get future proofing, but this just don't feel like the right way to go about it. If Kaiten was removed for "button bloat" that bloat feels like it got replaced by instead of me using Kaiten in openers I just do more Shinten spam. It just don't feel good to hit Shinten spam. Also the animation for Kaiten was just mmmm bellissimo.

Could have just taken Shoha I and II and baked them together and dropped the potency a small amount to compensate. Also SE are still on the path of making jobs easier to play, but didn't remove the positional requirements on Kasha and Gekko? Could have got rid of True North instead of Kaiten and not touch potency at all and just the changes to Shoha and removing positionals if they want to reduce button bloat.

Lets be honest though, SAM will probably see Shoha I and II baked together as a new trait come 7.0.

I miss Kaiten so much.

It was so satisfying to cast, such a cool animation and some tactical thoughts when to cast... somehow it now feels like gaps in the rotation - what to do with Kenki now? Shinten Spam?

So sad

Chiming in here to confirm the removal of Kaiten makes the class feel awful. I've only gotten to 65 so far but I've spent a fair bit of my time weaving in Kaiten to specific attacks. The lack of this ability is making my skin crawl, it feels so bad. It's just boring to play right now that I don't know if I want to explore the patch...and that sucks.

The job feels empty know, more shinten spam, no more big number satisfaction, clunky transition to iaijutsu, bad synergy with crit comps, just awful.

Nice work ruining the job with these changes no one asked for. Feels absolutely awful. Good stuff - Looking forward to playing it in ultimate in 3 weeks - NOT

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

You can glance over my profile or lodestone or FFlogs, I do not play anything else, only SAM. I raid but I am not an impressive player... I try my best and that's it, I don't take the numbers that serious, but I love executing my class rotation as best as I can it is satisfying and rewarding.

You have purples and blues mainly, by no means is that not an impressive feat. It means you are good at what you need to do to clear raids; oranges and pinks are reserved for the elite hardcore speed runners and world / server first groups, which is not for most people.

Back to the main topic since this thread seems to be gaining traction. I echo with what my fellow Samurai have posited in terms of feedback. The class simply does not feel right anymore, whether it's in terms of 'unga bunga' big numbers on screen, synergy with other classes, or the flow of the rotation (as I too experienced aspects such as awkward pauses between Shinten spams). It is no longer fun to play even though overall DPS output is similar to how it was before this change. Please revert these changes or at least redistribute potencies to our cool finishers in lieu of a full revert. For example, a simple fix if we cannot get a full revert is just adding the potency Kaiten would've added to them.

Tossing my +1 in here as well.


SAM has been one of my favorite "have fun" jobs since it was released. The way Kaiten flowed into your Iaijutsu was just peak class fantasy and that is just gone now. It feels like there is a hole in the rotation, something we've been doing for *years*
It feels awkward, and that isn't even to mention how much it feels like a wet noodle now with its big finishers that are supposed to give you that instant rush. Instead now your combo finisher can crit higher than a midare. Who the heck thought any of this was a good idea? I thought they wanted *less* shinten spam, but here we are with only that to do.


Horrible change.