Thread: 6.1 Samurai thoughts after getting to try them out in-game (please revert asap)

Yeah I kinda hate it.

I hate homogenizing the cones into PBAOEs. I get that its' more efficient, it just doesn't feel as fun.

I hate hate hate losing Kaiten because Kenki just feels spammier than ever (it was already kinda spammy). But most of all I loved the wind-up animation. It looked so freaking cool. Now it's just nowhere to be found and it's kinda depressing.

I've been subscribed since patch 2.2 and have not felt dissatisfied enough to post on the official forums before now. Four second Third Eye and potency-neutral movement skills can stay; those are good. Everything else for samurai should be reverted.

A lot of non-samurai players are boiling the changes down to removing one superfluous button. That's not what happened. Kaiten is not the samurai version of dragoon's Life Surge. Kaiten has been replaced with an excessive amount of Shinten spamming, a style of play that was very deliberately moved away from years ago. The big hits the class was designed for are now nothing to get excited about at all. The entire rotation feels like filler now.

Since they seem worried about critical hit variance on big hits, I guess we can look forward to changes to reaper's Communio (1000 potency), summoner's Ahk Morn and Revelation (1300), gunbreaker's Double Down (1200), dancer's Technical Finish (1200), monk's Phantom Rush (1150), and white mage's Afflatus Misery (1240). Yes, even whm has bigger hits than sam (yes that was a good change for them). If all of these are problematic due to crits, change how crit works.

Originally Posted by MajorIverson

I've been subscribed since patch 2.2 and have not felt dissatisfied enough to post on the official forums before now.

The amount of new posters like us should be a strong indication of how unliked this change is. I, like you, felt the need to make a forum account just to state my dissatisfaction.

Originally Posted by MajorIverson

I've been subscribed since patch 2.2 and have not felt dissatisfied enough to post on the official forums before now. Four second Third Eye and potency-neutral movement skills can stay; those are good. Everything else for samurai should be reverted.

A lot of non-samurai players are boiling the changes down to removing one superfluous button. That's not what happened. Kaiten is not the samurai version of dragoon's Life Surge. Kaiten has been replaced with an excessive amount of Shinten spamming, a style of play that was very deliberately moved away from years ago. The big hits the class was designed for are now nothing to get excited about at all. The entire rotation feels like filler now.

Since they seem worried about critical hit variance on big hits, I guess we can look forward to changes to reaper's Communio (1000 potency), summoner's Ahk Morn and Revelation (1300), gunbreaker's Double Down (1200), dancer's Technical Finish (1200), monk's Phantom Rush (1150), and white mage's Afflatus Misery (1240). Yes, even whm has bigger hits than sam (yes that was a good change for them). If all of these are problematic due to crits, change how crit works.

I'm in the same boat where this is the first time I'm unhappy enough with a patch to make a forum account. Agreed with pretty much everything you neatly listed there except for gapcloser being used for damage.

Originally Posted by butchersblock

I'm in the same boat where this is the first time I'm unhappy enough with a patch to make a forum account. Agreed with pretty much everything you neatly listed there except for gapcloser being used for damage.

I posted a handful of times before this myself, but since the 6.1 changes were announced and then implemented, I've been adding my voice and my 'like' to every thread and every comment I agree with. The concentrated and largely uncoordinated push from SAM mains to rally behind this has been awesome to be honest. To see that so many people care so deeply about the job that they're signing up to the forums and getting involved is actually super wholesome. SAMs unite! Let's push for that revert!

I didn't expect to hate this change as much as I do. Literally made a forum account just to contribute to the voices speaking out against it. Removing Kaiten has completely ruined both the feel and flow of the job. Please revert the change as soon as possible. Literally nobody asked for this.

Just did reclears... Feels awful. Agree with OP 100%. Even worse than I imagined.

At first i was fairly ambivalent about the changes announced. However after trying them out in game, man they really all feel...off? I guess that's the best way to describe it. Kaiten not being there feels really slow and makes Iai feel kinda lackluster. The big numbers missing off Iai also feels bad (on a purely aesthetic mindset) honestly if they wanted to remove action bloat they could have kept Kaiten and instead made Shinten and Kyoten high potency high cost long CD dumps. Made SAM all about the big wind up hits instead of the rapid spam of one very lackluster button. It's so strange because the best way I can describe it is, there's nothing wrong with SAM 6.1 but it feels like there's nothing right with it.