Thread: 6.1 Samurai thoughts after getting to try them out in-game (please revert asap)

Hello, another samurai who made an account just to voice my opinion on how bad the changes are.

First of all, I was trying to be open minded about changes, but after trying new samurai in savage raids, new extreme and unreal content, I have to say the jobs feels worse to play in every aspect compared to previous version. Removal of Kaiten makes the Kenki management close to non-existent, and Shinten in itself if pretty boring ability. Whole class and power fantasy was building up resources and then finishing with a huge move (Midare) for massive damage, this was enhanced with Kaiten having a cool animation, like preparing for huge attack as master swordsman. Now even the big hitters are ruined, since they do pathetic damage compared to before. I know the damage numbers will roughly be the same, but it doesnt feel good to go through my rotation just to finish with 23k crit wet noodle Midare. This new changes really dont feel good to play, please revert them ASAP. As for addressing the "button bloat", there were far more obvious abilities to remove, like making Ikishoten and Ogi into a one button, consolidating Guren and Senei into 1 ability and making Shoha 2 into a direct upgrade for Shoha 1. If the problem was having too many ogcd buttons, it doesnt help it in that way either, since now you just spam Shnten insted of Kaiten.

Overall, changes are massively disappointing, ruining the fun and class fantasy of the jobs and I hope they will be addressed very soon.

+1 to OP. Samurai feels absolutely awful now. I am legitimately considering gearing another job for my static.

Had mained Sam since it came out((controller)), the amount of other things they could of done and have been suggested multiple times is just crazy. If dragoon can have actions evolve why then not Sam if the goal was to reduce bloat. A simple fix for Ogi and the entire iaijustu system but instead they took a sledgehammer to the job.

Please revert 6.1 changes.

SAM enjoyer here to do my part:

Kaiten was a beautiful piece of flavor, and while I understand that it's akin to Enochian in the sense that it's an extra button you always want to press, it added a sense of excitement to use your next Iaijutsu. It would be awesome to see it come back in a different form in the future.

However, at the moment, SAM feels like it has lost its class identity in the big hits and cool katana flair: the rotation feels flat alongside the damage. I am discouraged from playing the class, despite being a SAM player since a bit into the ARR epilogue when I subscribed to the game back in ShB 5.3. Unless news of a 6.1X patch to adjust SAM or revert the changes come to light, I will instead be levelling DRG and trying to rock that for my Savage static instead.

Thanks for reading. Nothing but love for the game and I hope to see the best for it!

Former SAM main. I played it for 10 minutes and disliked it as much as I thought. I will play other jobs now, but would prefer to have old SAM back.

They just removed the ability to crit with Midare and lowered its potency (compared to midare + kaiten). They just changed combat text.

Good work ruining a job because an excel graph of DPS variance in high end raids had a tiny bump in it. Thanks blizzard.

Was advised to post feed back so I posted it here -> " https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...95#post5893695, rather impulsively...

I don't go to the forums ever and as I read the forums I am somewhat relieved to see I am not the only one frustrated and upset with the recent butchering of our beloved SAM as I am reading other posts like this one, I'll share a few words here as well.


Kaiten was core to our rotation, satisfying to cast. Paired with Key hard hitting skills, Kaiten felt it had variance to it making it feel rewarding.

Several times now I hear " It's just one Button ", clearly some are trolls while others have no idea... let me say it crystal clear... " NOT A SINGLE CLUE " what the significance was of removing this button... with it gone? it butchered our playstyle.

The incompetence it took of whoever decided to make this change to rob the enjoyment of playing SAM from so many of us, is borderline insanity and impressive. I didn't think you could mess up something that was working so well so easily, but here we are.

Big numbers are nice, but I personally (speaking for myself) was more focused on enjoying the feel of the rotation. And THAT is STOLEN.

You can glance over my profile or lodestone or FFlogs, I do not play anything else, only SAM. I raid but I am not an impressive player... I try my best and that's it, I don't take the numbers that serious, but I love executing my class rotation as best as I can it is satisfying and rewarding.

And if its not to much to ask? I want that back...
I want our Samurai to feel satisfying to play again.

Bring back our Kaiten

Playing samurai even feels much slower now. There's these silent awkward pauses clearly where there used to not be... I can't enjoy Samurai without Kaiten, sadly I'm gonna need to change to RPR or DRG until it's brought back.

Originally Posted by Aulainn

Playing samurai even feels much slower now. There's these silent awkward pauses clearly where there used to not be... I can't enjoy Samurai without Kaiten, sadly I'm gonna need to change to RPR or DRG until it's brought back.

It feels significantly slower. Even when weaving shinten in places where you'd press kaiten there is still this awkward pause. It doesn't help that shinten is an awful animation with a weird animation lock.