Thread: What is your favorite Job change in 6.1?

Energy Drain not being deleted for the third time.

WHM lilies charging 30% faster seems like the biggest thing.

WAR actually seems like a nerf, overpower had like twice the range as all the other tank aoe and you could always just use mythril tempest for gathering dungeon mobs while running through when that shape was more useful; now it's just the same as everything else. The Inner release change let's you get it's cooldown started a couple gcd's sooner so i guess that's pretty ok

Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

So AST is still riddled with button bloat. Got it. Hope they get around to fixing it.

Button bloat just sounds like todays excuse to say i’m bad at my job i need them to make it easier so i don’t have to try.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Button bloat just sounds like todays excuse to say i’m bad at my job i need them to make it easier so i don’t have to try.

Honestly, I hate the button bloat argument with a passion unless something actually warrants it. AST has button bloat. There is nothing particularly skillful required to double weave Draw/Play and Minor Arcana/Crown Play during Lightspeed. It's just needless busy work. It's literally no different than Mirage Dive or Pitch Perfect but unlike those skills, AST still has their needless bloat so in this one instance, I will say you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Honestly, I hate the button bloat argument with a passion unless something actually warrants it. AST has button bloat. There is nothing particularly skillful required to double weave Draw/Play and Minor Arcana/Crown Play during Lightspeed. It's just needless busy work. It's literally no different than Mirage Dive or Pitch Perfect but unlike those skills, AST still has their needless bloat so in this one instance, I will say you're wrong.

I agree it has button bloat though, but someone basically said them not being simplified means they still have button bloat when the two dont correlate at all. You can have a non-simplified job not be subject to button bloat.

Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Honestly, I hate the button bloat argument with a passion unless something actually warrants it. AST has button bloat. There is nothing particularly skillful required to double weave Draw/Play and Minor Arcana/Crown Play during Lightspeed. It's just needless busy work. It's literally no different than Mirage Dive or Pitch Perfect but unlike those skills, AST still has their needless bloat so in this one instance, I will say you're wrong.

AST feels like it is in a similar place SMN was. A lot of bloat and inefficiency and complication but also one of the best of its role if you can manage all the needless APM.

Which means I am wholly expecting AST to be one of the jobs to get a massive rework in the near future.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Button bloat just sounds like todays excuse to say i’m bad at my job i need them to make it easier so i don’t have to try.

If you think what they did to AST turning multiple skills into multiple buttons in the name of simplification is not button bloat... dunno what to say. It's just a mess

All the PvP ones. PvE - none, game needs to expand the gap between skill floors and ceilings big time.

Originally Posted by Nihility

If you think what they did to AST turning multiple skills into multiple buttons in the name of simplification is not button bloat... dunno what to say. It's just a mess

You can address button bloat without simplifying a job. People keep using button bloat as an excuse to make jobs easier and braindead, it’s why we’re in the situation we are now.

the one where Hissatsu: Kaiten got removed but Tenka Goken remained at 280 potency :')