Thread: AST Adjustments 6.2

Originally Posted by QooEr

this was, again, not even fixed by square enix. it was fixed by fflogs introducing rdps and thus killing padding almost entirely.

if fflogs had stayed the same we would still have asts padding players by giving them crappy 6% balances all run long.

We had that at the start of ShB, before they introduced rDPS and probably the main reason for doing so, where it was basically mandatory even for tanks and healers to get dance partner if they wanted a good parse on the ex trials.

i like your card system. sleeve draw and forcing all cards to appear in sets does wonders for the reliability issue that old cards had.

Your Minor Arcana has me on the fence. letting people burn support cards for dps doesnt sit right iwth me. I do acknowledge one key thing that could make it work though: when farming, the support doesnt matter; and when progging, the dps doesnt matter. theres also divination making it perhaps not worth it to burn boles for dps, so yeah, good job. i stil dont fully like the idea of MA letting you discard support for dps though...

Originally Posted by Shikiseki

Double Cast:

adds double cast as a job core system --> casts a slightly alternate version of the previous casted spell as ability for 0 mp cost
Up to 2 charges and the effect changes as soon as you cast any of the other eligable spells that would trigger double cast

--> benefic (instant, cleanses one debuff, deletes all your mp why are you double casting this? - )
--> benefic II (instant, restores critical HP)
--> asp benefic (triggers the nocturnal version of it instead of regen)
--> helios (instant)
--> asp helios (triggers the nocturnal version instead)
--> malefic (instant, reduces recast time of the next double cast)
--> gravity (instant, 10s generic slow debuff on all enemies)
--> macrocosmos (triggers the current healing effect of microcosmos without spending it, halves recast time)

i think it would be better if malefic didnt work with double cast. to me it would be more interesting to use asp bene/helios and then be able to "hold" that double cast for when it has maximum value. if malefic overwrites double cast youre pressured to use it right away after healing cuz otherwise you lose the cool nocturnal effect. not to mention it would create a dominant strategy in which double-cast malefics mean more double-casts which means its a compounded dps loss to not use double cast on malefic, and we already rarely use gcd heals as-is to begin with.

Originally Posted by QooEr

i think it would be better if malefic didnt work with double cast. to me it would be more interesting to use asp bene/helios and then be able to "hold" that double cast for when it has maximum value. if malefic overwrites double cast youre pressured to use it right away after healing cuz otherwise you lose the cool nocturnal effect. not to mention it would create a dominant strategy in which double-cast malefics mean more double-casts which means its a compounded dps loss to not use double cast on malefic, and we already rarely use gcd heals as-is to begin with.

I think it should, I love Malefic reducing the cool-down of double cast by 7.5 seconds how it is in PvP, it would greatly help out in Dungeons and Solo content, I personally think just in raids they need to create more ongoing consistent damage to the players so you need to then think, “do I squeeze an extra Malefic or a Benefic II” the option should be available. And not to mention help out overall with our dps considering AST is bottom of the healers in that department.

Also I’d also like to say, how many people really do cast Synastry end game or in dungeons?, I feel like it’s honestly not even needed with the array of abilities we have already at our disposal perhaps that skill should just be flat out removed and switched for double cast?. Like I literally just cast it for the sake of casting it cause it’s on my hotbar.

While I havnt played the old AST, I honestly wish I had, I’ve read AST use to be able to switch from Regen to Shield healing, I’d love to get that back, it would really make AST have a uniqueness being able to mesh with any co-healer, you got a SGE healing switch to regen, got a WHM go shields. From Google I’ve read it’s Nocturnal Sect/Diurnal Sect, they can just make it one button that switch’s to the other option that you have to cast before combat. I’d love to see this return.

About Cards, Draw/Play like in PvP, I’m not to fussed what they do with cards, I’ve become use to both how they work in PvE and PvP, while use PvE it becomes a pain selecting who to play the card on the switch back to target the enemy to dps but you get use to it, PvP is much simpler, draw the card play it, goes AoE to everyone around you, which I like aswell. My one wish if they do choose to make cards more complex I pray they add some sort of mouse over function, healing in WoW with mouse overs is a huge quality of life which I’d love to see in FF.

But im very excited and nervous about what’s happening in 6.2 to AST, I fell in love with the job and hopefully with this overhaul it continues to flourish.

Originally Posted by Shikiseki

Ewer: Refreshes HP and MP - I think only MP would be basically useless so it'll be a good additional healing option of things go south

You should leave Ewer as MP only, throwing healing on top of it would lead to them having to make both effects weak. Meanwhile leaving it as MP only brings back how useful it was in all content before, acting as a lucid dreaming you can throw on yourself, your co-healer, or RDM. Especially in Alliance Raid content where there are generally lots of deaths from clipping which means MP recovery is all the more important for healers.

I would say on your idea for Spire you should swap the movement speed to Spire from Arrow and put Arrow as Direct Hit. Thematically (in HW/SB) Spire was all about invigoration of the body (hence why Spire restored TP) which fits movement speed or increased healing received effects, while Arrow thematically was all about swiftness and accuracy.

Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Synastry would be fine if only they interact more beyond than just their 3 single target GCD healing spells that they almost never need to use outside dealing with clown fiesta or paper tank. You can delete it from your hotbar and very little would change.

In a vacuum, it's a great skill with a unique concept. But single target healing in general is rarely needed and as you said, the action doesn't interact with anything but AST's last ditch effort for survival. It can be put on the target of your healing and they'll receive the additional 40% even when they're the target, but it's incredibly niche. I could see it gaining more value when Criterion dungeons come out as single target inherently has more value in light parties. It's just hard to justify single target actions in 8-man groups unless one person specifically is being targeted for heavy damage while no one else is being attacked.

Originally Posted by Pepino

I think it should, I love Malefic reducing the cool-down of double cast by 7.5 seconds how it is in PvP, it would greatly help out in Dungeons and Solo content, I personally think just in raids they need to create more ongoing consistent damage to the players so you need to then think, “do I squeeze an extra Malefic or a Benefic II” the option should be available.

it works in pvp because you legitimately might need the extra healing so theres actual risk involved, and gravity being stronger than malefic means you dont want to blow all your charges willy nilly.

in pve, even in ultimates you rarely cast gcd heals. in my last uwu clear i casted in total 38 gcd heals and 178 malefics. and of those gcd heals, almost all of them were casted when the boss wasnt targettable. the answer to "do i squeeze an extra Malefic or a Benefic II” is almost unequivocally malefic. a double cast malefic will be even a bigger dps loss than hardcasting malefic too because of the compounding effect of reducing the cd of double cast, so if anything, it would be better to cast gcds and use double cast exclusively on malefic if you need that healing.

conversely, i find it a lot more interesting to cast aspected helios, and then hold onto that double cast to use a nocturnal asp helios later into the fight to get the most value out of it. its just more strategic

Originally Posted by Pepino

Also I’d also like to say, how many people really do cast Synastry end game or in dungeons?,

i feel like synastry is pretty useful, but only in savage/ulti prog when people are dying and need to be healed to full health immediately. thanks to synastry, i managed to save a few pulls in ucob during adds phase when my cohealer had died.

but outside of that its kind of superfluous