Thread: Regarding the reaction to 6.1 SAM changes

Originally Posted by Vencio

I genuinely am thrilled & excited for SAM changes + less buttons/less cluttering = the more fun, more immersion, the better!

I truly don’t understand why is it bothering most people that bad,

It hardly is any nerfing really

It’s less fun for me when they took out one of the most fun buttons in the jobs. Just a fun button removed with nothing to replace it

Originally Posted by Awkward

It's mostly from people who meta bandwagon honestly, there are plenty of other jobs in much worse shape than SAM ever was who never complained to this alarming degree.

"Other jobs had it worse so you've no right to complain." This is an awful argument, stop trying to invalidate valid criticism. These kinds of posts help no one. If you don't want to see the complaints, just leave the forum for the day, or ignore them. None of those other jobs you mentioned deserved to be neglected either.

Originally Posted by Roxus

"Other jobs had it worse so you've no right to complain." This is an awful argument, stop trying to invalidate valid criticism. These kinds of posts help no one. If you don't want to see the complaints, just leave the forum for the day, or ignore them. None of those other jobs you mentioned deserved to be neglected either.

I wasn't making an argument so much as an observation. Aside from the kaiten change I don't really see any valid criticism though in my opinion. My stance on SAM was that its damage pad needed adjustments because it was completely centralizing and overpowered and the job which gave 14 raid buff jobs(the bulk majority) by far the most DPS and it wasn't even close. It just simply wasn't balanced and this is the truth as shown by the numbers. The fact it's remained in this state so long and no one seems to think anything is wrong with it is mind boggling to me.

Originally Posted by Awkward

I wasn't making an argument so much as an observation. Aside from the kaiten change I don't really see any valid criticism though in my opinion. My stance on SAM was that its damage pad needed adjustments because it was completely centralizing and overpowered and the job which gave 14 raid buff jobs(the bulk majority) by far the most DPS and it wasn't even close. It just simply wasn't balanced and this is the truth as shown by the numbers. The fact it's remained in this state so long and no one seems to think anything is wrong with it is mind boggling to me.

I have a hard time believing you read any of the constructive posts on the matter. Would you care to explain why none of our feedback is valid, then? Have you considered that possibly, the job isn't the issue, but rather how buffs, substats, and burst windows interact are? I'll make it easy for you and post it again. Yoshi P has touched upon the fact they want to get rid of the crit variance issue and the burst meta, alongside substat balance. However, that was supposed to be a change for everyone. Instead, they changed one job and left everything else as is, creating an issue where player exclusion is now becoming a thing, again. They should have introduced these changes at the same time as everyone else's changes to bring parity.

Originally Posted by Roxus

I have a hard time believing you read any of the constructive posts on the matter. Would you care to explain why none of our feedback is valid, then? Have you considered that possibly, the job isn't the issue, but rather how buffs, substats, and burst windows interact are? I'll make it easy for you and post it again. Yoshi P has touched upon the fact they want to get rid of the crit variance issue and the burst meta, alongside substat balance. However, that was supposed to be a change for everyone. Instead, they changed one job and left everything else as is, creating an issue where player exclusion is now becoming a thing, again. They should have introduced these changes at the same time as everyone else's changes to bring parity.

I agree with what you're saying, the changes shouldn't stop with samurai but the entire 'burst meta' needs to be changed, as well as the fact almost every job in this game functions exactly the same way with the same copy paste buffs. It starts with the job that benefited the most from the current meta though which is undeniably samurai.

Originally Posted by Awkward

I agree with what you're saying, the changes shouldn't stop with samurai but the entire 'burst meta' needs to be changed, as well as the fact almost every job in this game functions exactly the same way with the same copy paste buffs. It starts with the job that benefited the most from the current meta though which is undeniably samurai.

I'm glad you agree. However, to say it should start with Samurai without including any other change, as said before, invites discrimination. And I have dealt with that discrimination before in Stormblood. Please understand why this isn't necessarily a good change alone, ignoring how I feel about the gameplay disruption of removing Kaiten.

I think that if Samurai players were really passionate about Kaiten, then by all means, bring it back.

What I don't respect, though, is the argument that SAM should have an even bigger dps lead over other melee jobs because it's so much more 'complex', that we constantly saw touted on the forums and reddit during 6.0. If you make that argument, you're pretty much begging the dev team to simplify your job and then nerf it back into equality. If you're content with the gameplay on your job, then it's best to lay low and let jobs that actually need the dev team focus get it.

Originally Posted by Lyth

I think that if Samurai players were really passionate about Kaiten, then by all means, bring it back.

What I don't respect, though, is the argument that SAM should have an even bigger dps lead over other melee jobs because it's so much more 'complex', that we constantly saw touted on the forums and reddit during 6.0. If you make that argument, you're pretty much begging the dev team to simplify your job and then nerf it back into equality. If you're content with the gameplay on your job, then it's best to lay low and let jobs that actually need the dev team focus get it.