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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    looking at all the pvp actions across the board made me go "wow look at how much flavor each of these classes has with so few buttons, why is this such a problem for them on the pve side?"
    Agreed. Job flavour is so important, and not just that but all the pvp kits have different playstyles too. It really isn't much to ask for.
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    GAH, I'm torn. AST was my main healer from SCH (thanks Stormblood) , then Endwalker had me switch to SGE.

    At least PVP had me consistently use my WHM.

    now they've blown that away, they all look fun in their own way!
    (1)

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    Character
    Celica Genhu
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    I will give credit where credit is due and give SE props for making healers in PvP enticing to play. Now they just need to bring this creativity over to PvE.
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    Last edited by currentlemon; 04-12-2022 at 11:36 AM.

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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Funny how a content that's often being seen as an 'afterthought' has more depth in its Healer roles than in PvE.
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    Atmaweapon510's Avatar
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    Rhaeyn Baelasch
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    I think everyone needs to look through the changes thoroughly. They are *completely* removing spammable heals, making each one a cooldown effect and eliminating infinite stalling.

    In short, Healers are now DPS in PvP and thus, get access to all of the design perks.
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Noah Orih
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Atmaweapon510 View Post
    I think everyone needs to look through the changes thoroughly. They are *completely* removing spammable heals, making each one a cooldown effect and eliminating infinite stalling.

    In short, Healers are now DPS in PvP and thus, get access to all of the design perks.
    That's basically what I noticed as well. I mentioned earlier that they seem more like "Support" than "Healers" having more utility than other jobs and focusing on battle manipulation.
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    I read through the skills in the wiki and all I could say was: "Where the hell is this in PvE?"

    As controversial and lorebreaking as it may sound, I think Limit Break should be an individual meter for each player in PvE so it isn't hogged by the melee DPS 99% of the time.
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    The Goblet - 16th Ward, Plot 55
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    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    The sheer lack of a basic heal is what gets me.

    AST has a 2 charge Aspected Benefic that has a 15s recharge time. Sure there's double cast but that's not good enough. I've had moments where I needed to heal someone and couldn't because my "heal" as a healer was on CD.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    glamazon's Avatar
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    Glamazon Amazonia
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 98
    Every job has a heal you literally don’t have to heal anyone even Sage can kardia himself

    Love this and want it for pve since healers suck w one button spam
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    RinaShinomiya's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Catherine Shinomiya
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Seraph strike comboing into Cure 3 is such a simple yet satisfying combo.
    The limit break on WHM feels incredible too
    This PVP ob redesign is like, what 7 unique buttons per class? But they feel so good to use!
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